Ongoing thread for Neal/Lucic discussion

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

The good news is that Lucic actually has a fit on this team. He can play 3rd or 4th line minutes and at least do something there. Neal can't skate, doesn't muck it up, and seemed to have a bad attitude whenever he didn't get 1st or 2nd line minutes. He never proved that he actually deserved first or second line minutes when he played there and he didn't alter his game like Stajan or Tanguay did to fit an alternate role on the team so that could earn a spot.

I don't like the fact that we can't really buy out Lucic. We are stuck with him. We should have been compensated more for that fact.

We acquired a $5.4 million Ryan Reaves. That's pretty much all he's good for at this point.

[swo2k1]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Nope. The NMC won't expire until after that draft. Unless he and the Flames agree to permanently waive it - in writing - we're stuck with him.

Source?

Not that I don't believe you it's just that capfriendly seems to state otherwise.

[PepsiFree]

This is a great move because Lucic is awesome and Neal sucks.

At least, that's the new narrative I'm happily going with. It may be different than what I thought even a few hours ago, but whatever. Lucic is the best (now).

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Initial reaction was WTF?

But...

Lucic @ $5,400,000 cap hit and no NMC

vs.

Neal @ $6,350,000

Doesn't bother me all that much I guess.

Same term and age basically.

Neal is $5.75M.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

We acquired a $5.4 million Ryan Reaves. That's pretty much all he's good for at this point.

Ryan Reaves' skating is probably better than Milan Lucic's at this point. That's the sad part.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Neal is $5.75M.

5.75 plus 10% retention on Neal

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Where is this Neal cap hit of $6.3 million coming from? It's $5.75 mil accordingly to Capfriendly.

It is assuming the Oilers eat 600k of Lucic, since the deal is not finalized capfriendly has not been updated.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by GGG

This seems to be hung up in paperwork. I wonder if the permanent waiver of his no move clause is the hold up.

If that's the case, then no dealie Mr Whalen

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by The Familia

God this franchise is a tire fire at times. Welcome to another decade of mediocrity. Never the worst but never the best.

Lucic sucks... but is he so bad that the Flames will be bad for a decade after this deal?

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by swo2k1

Source?

Not that I don't believe you it's just that capfriendly seems to state otherwise.

Not sure what you are seeing but the NMC was originally for the life of the contract on capfriendly

It turns from a full NMC to a modified NTC AND NMC in the last 2 years.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Neal sucks...
Lucic sucks...
This isn't as fun as I thought a suck-off would be.

Stop making jokes. I'm trying to be po'd over here.

[Erick Estrada]

I'm stunned. Stunned! I think this is the worst move the organization has made since the Phaneuf trade. This is a major overreaction to the playoff loss. Really disappointed in Treliving here as he followed up a terrible Brouwer contract with the terrible Neal contract only to double down and flip it for another terrible contract with longer term. Very disappointed in the GM bailing out the Oilers. Very disappointed.

[Huntingwhale]

Hahhahahhahahha Stupid Flames!!

Wait a minute....

[Looch City]

Wtf Flames are almost no good now. Wtf! Seriously wyt

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

This was a horrible time to sign up for 60 days of no drinking!!!

Going to the dispencery right meow!!!

Impossible.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by The Familia

God this franchise is a tire fire at times. Welcome to another decade of mediocrity. Never the worst but never the best.

Your signature lists trophies.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Okay, thought about it a bit more.

1. With a 600k retention, the Oilers are effectively paying Neal 6.35 mil a year. Let that sink in for a little bit.

2. If Lucic completely waives his NMC, then the Flames don't have to protect him in the expansion draft.

3. Neal didn't fit in at all with this team. On or off the ice. On the ice, he was slow and could not keep up with the puck. Off the ice he seemed to have a unpleasant attitude right from the start about the China trip. That always bugged me because a new player should have been ready to bond with new teammates.

4. Yes, Neal can score 20 goals next season with McDavid. However, does anyone actually think Peters was going to give him much of a chance next season to play with Gaudreau on the top line? Let's be realistic, if Neal scores 20 goals with McDavid.. its not the case he was going to do that here. McDavid makes plugs score 20 goals all the time..Neal needs to score 40 goals for me to think he would have gotten 20 in Calgary.

5. There are reports apparently that Lucic has really been focused on working out and training this off-season to get better. I am not a huge fan of his but I think he will come in extremely motivated and I look forward to him protecting the Flames players...something no other player could do last season. Lucic will also be a good fit on the third line and won't have the same expectations as he did in Edmonton.

I may be wrong but I am ready to give Lucic a chance and hope he turns into a beast again given the new opportunity. Yes, the contract sucks but so did Neal's contract

Not my ideal.. but I am happier going in with Talbot and Lucic instead of Neal and Smith... both guys who shat the bed for the majority of last season are gone.

Ya, discussing your 5th point he said he was changing his training this summer and instead of all gym he was going to work on his skating and on ice skills this summer. Wouldn't that be great if we got beast mode Looch!

[Shazam]

Sophie's choice. Ug.

[Husky]

Wonder if smith pushed for neal as they are buddies.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Normally I would just defer to you on these things but I think you're misreading capfriendly.

Or maybe there is a gas leak here and I should get it inspected.

I'm looking at capfriendly and it says his salary over the next 4 years is:

Salary
$1m
$2.5m
$1
------------
$4.5m


Bonus
$3m
$2.5m
$3m
-----------
$8.5m


$4.5m
$8.5m
-----------
$13m

Plus the $3 million still owed in salary for this coming season.