[Rumour] Kadri used his NTC to nix a trade to the Flames involving TJ Brodie

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Nobody wants to run him out of town, it's apparent he wants to leave and he's just a victim of his cap hit. I don't think you'd find many, if any, people here that actually want him gone because they think he's trash.

I think it was apparent he wanted ice time and thought he deserved it over some that were gifted it (*cough* Neal)

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I think it was apparent he wanted ice time and thought he deserved it over some that were gifted it (*cough* Neal)

He sure spent a lot of time on the 2nd line for a guy whining about ice time.

I'm not happy with Neal either but again, the problem with Frolik isn't Frolik, it's the fact that he has one year left on his deal and makes 1 mil too much.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Who cares how close it was? It didn't get done. Time to move on.

[DeluxeMoustache]

^ that was after the early season controversy, wasn’t it?

He makes a decent wage for a .5 ppg guy who is a solid 2 way player. Consistent and dependable. You know what you are getting.

[Rando]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I think it was apparent he wanted ice time and thought he deserved it over some that were gifted it (*cough* Neal)

James Neal had over 700 games 250 goals and almost 500 points prior to joining the Flames. Yeah, guys with that much offensive pedigree get "gifted' ice time on their new teams. Frolik was "gifted" ice time when he signed here as well.

Why is this a thing to be upset/noted about exactly?

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

^ that was after the early season controversy, wasn’t it?

He makes a decent wage for a .5 ppg guy who is a solid 2 way player. Consistent and dependable. You know what you are getting.

Wasn't there a breakdown recently saying he got most of his points in a single month? He was absolutely not consistent, he had to get scratched a few times to wake him up

[Sylvanfan]

Frolik's contract is fine. Its the 10.75 million on Brouwer, Neal, and Stone that is causing the squeeze.
Unfortunately its enough waste to force the team into moving more useful bodies to accomodate this.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Nobody wants to run him out of town, it's apparent he wants to leave and he's just a victim of his cap hit. I don't think you'd find many, if any, people here that actually want him gone because they think he's trash.

I love Frolik, but as a guy with one year left on his deal that makes about 1 mil too much on a team that needs cap space, he's a victim of asset management. The fact that his agent publicly whined about his ice time it seems like finding him an opportunity elsewhere can be a win-win

I’d run him out of town if he pulls a wagon with a few others in it.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Frolik's contract is fine. Its the 10.75 million on Brouwer, Neal, and Stone that is causing the squeeze.
Unfortunately its enough waste to force the team into moving more useful bodies to accomodate this.

No argument here on the bolded, but the point remains that Frolik needing to be moved is a victim of asset management, nothing else. That's hardly people wanting to run him out of town

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Wasn't there a breakdown recently saying he got most of his points in a single month? He was absolutely not consistent, he had to get scratched a few times to wake him up

Don’t think so. You must be misremembering his utilization. 5 points in 12 games in Oct, reduced ice time and 4th line deployment and then scratched a bunch (over a month between games) in Nov/Dec. Agent made noise, he got ice time, he ended up over .5 ppg.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Don’t think so. You must be misremembering his utilization. 5 points in 12 games in Oct, reduced ice time and 4th line deployment and then scratched a bunch (over a month between games) in Nov/Dec. Agent made noise, he got ice time, he ended up over .5 ppg.

That's right I remember now. He had that weird October with 5 goals and no assists, then got injured and was pretty bad when he came back. Woke up after a couple scratches in December and finished the year strong.

Not sure who I was thinking of, I could've sworn there was someone that got most of their points in January and was mediocre the rest of the year

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by New Era

Who cares how close it was? It didn't get done. Time to move on.

And was it ever really "close" if the NTC was always there to block it?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by btimbit

That's right I remember now. He had that weird October with 5 goals and no assists, then got injured and was pretty bad when he came back. Woke up after a couple scratches in December and finished the year strong.

Not sure who I was thinking of, I could've sworn there was someone that got most of their points in January and was mediocre the rest of the year

The whole top line and Tkachuk had some pretty poor stretches post ASG except for a couple of ridiculously big 4-6 point games.

[N-E-B]

I wonder if the trade came down to Bennett vs Kerfoot, and Calgary wasn’t willing to upgrade on Bennett.

[Ferarri]

This is why I’m getting so sick of the NHL. It should be a privilege to play in this league even if you end up in a city like Edmonton or Winnipeg. The fact that players can veto a trade based on location is ridiculous.

As a fan of the flames it makes it that much harder to build a Stanley Cup championship caliber team. I wish they would eliminate this BS from the CBA but you know that would never happen.

Teams such as New York, LA and Toronto will always be top locations while small market teams (especially Canadian markets) continue to suffer. There are times that I truly question why I’m a fan of this league. From crappy officiating to player No movement clauses i’m starting to have enough already.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Frolik's contract is fine. Its the 10.75 million on Brouwer, Neal, and Stone that is causing the squeeze.
Unfortunately its enough waste to force the team into moving more useful bodies to accomodate this.

The reality is these three things have decreased the teams flexibility and opportunity. If we had the cap space we would likely have went after a bigger impact player this off season. That player could very well have been a difference maker especially considering the fact that the first line struggled to find the extra gear to take us to the dance.

In Brouwer and Neal BT was looking for something and he didn't get it from either player. Both players at times coasted on their big contracts and left the team wondering and wanting.

I have been curious as to what is causing BT to make the same mistake twice when he is actually quite shrewd. Did these players check off the boxes that met or exceeded BT's expectations; or are these players simply good talkers which gave BT the impression they would meet the expectations that got them the said contracts. When I look at Lazar and even GG they seem to have something in common; Very like-able and very good talkers.

Maybe BT needs to reassess his check boxes. All in all I think BT has done an excellent job, but it never hurts to look at certain trends that might be impeding, or setting us back.

[jaikorven]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

The reality is these three things have decreased the teams flexibility and opportunity. If we had the cap space we would likely have went after a bigger impact player this off season. That player could very well have been a difference maker especially considering the fact that the first line struggled to find the extra gear to take us to the dance.



In Brouwer and Neal BT was looking for something and he didn't get it from either player. Both players at times coasted on their big contracts and left the team wondering and wanting.



I have been curious as to what is causing BT to make the same mistake twice when he is actually quite shrewd. Did these players check off the boxes that met or exceeded BT's expectations; or are these players simply good talkers which gave BT the impression they would meet the expectations that got them the said contracts. When I look at Lazar and even GG they seem to have something in common; Very like-able and very good talkers.



Maybe BT needs to reassess his check boxes. All in all I think BT has done an excellent job, but it never hurts to look at certain trends that might be impeding, or setting us back.

I don't understand how BT is responsible for Brower or Neal though. By all accounts they should have worked out. It's on the players not the GM with these two.

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[TheScorpion]

The Neal signing was almost universally praised when it was announced. I don't pin that one on Treliving for a second (and Neal could still work out, he finished the year marginally better with 12 points in his last 25 games).

Something that I don't know if everyone knows:

Since New Years' Eve:

Mangiapane - 13 points in 37 games
Neal - 12 points in 25 games

I'm really willing to give Neal a shot with a better centre than Jankowski.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by jaikorven

I don't understand how BT is responsible for Brower or Neal though. By all accounts they should have worked out. It's on the players not the GM with these two.

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I somewhat disagree. Sure maybe he couldn't see it coming; But if he had the prior experience he may have done things differently, He could have put them on show me contracts or signed them to slightly bigger contracts for shorter term like Chicago is doing with Lehner 1yr $5 million. Should he be absolved of blame, is it lack of experience, or just bad luck? Either way maybe he is looking in the wrong places, age, range, type of player. This is an area that can assessed and improved upon going forward just like Chicago is doing. It may be on the players but the decision to go ahead and pay them has met mixed results so what is the solution?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

That’s what Frolik is, and lots of people can’t wait to run him out of town

Who are you “running out of town” then? You don’t get to choose Stone or Neal.