[Rumour] Puljujarvi will stay in Europe if not traded from Edmonton

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Puljuarvi would cost 26OA imo. This talk of Czarnik or a 12 spot drop is way off base. The Oilers would be better off leaving him in Europe and hoping he has a monster year if that was the case.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

But again
- Teams wanted Czarnik because he was free. It's different when you are giving up an asset
- I would theorize that Czarnik's value is significantly less this year with another year gone by where he didn't do anything

I just don't see how he has ANY value.

That's probably fair, but I would also argue that a disgruntled prospect that has barely shown anything in the AHL and coming off a major surgery has much value either. If he was a third round pick nobody would be talking about him. His value has only tanked since being drafted.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by bax

That's probably fair, but I would also argue that a disgruntled prospect that has barely shown anything in the AHL and coming off a major surgery has much value either. If he was a third round pick nobody would be talking about him. His value has only tanked since being drafted.

He still has upside though
I would argue at this point Czarnik has very little
If the Oilers are going to trade him they are going to want either
- Something with some upside (e.g. a pick)
- A similar prospect who has yet to perform but still has potential and runway to reach that
- Something to help them now

Czarnik offers none of that.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

He still has upside though
I would argue at this point Czarnik has very little
If the Oilers are going to trade him they are going to want either
- Something with some upside (e.g. a pick)
- A similar prospect who has yet to perform but still has potential and runway to reach that
- Something to help them now

Czarnik offers none of that.

I don't know about the third point. I think there are still probably some teams that believe Czarnik could help them if put in a position to succeed.

This whole situation reminds me of the Niederreiter for Cluttberuck trade. Nino was a former 5th overall who put up 1 point in 55 NHL games, but was able to rebound the following year by putting up 50 points in 74 NHL games. He never went through any major surgeries.

He was traded for Clutterbuck- a crash and bang 4th line winger coming off a season of 10 points in 42 games.

I don't think we have a player like that to offer them, but I'm sure some team does.

[Matt Reeeeead]

Czarnik is a player that is 1 year away from free agency and offers a skillset that sees him as a one dimensional, complimentary player, that requires being sheltered to succeed.... I agree with the notion that he's not an in demand trade chip which was evidenced by the Flames winning the bidding for his services by simply guaranteeing him a 1 way contract with an AAV of just over a $1M.

Teams would take him in exchange for a mid round pick to see if they can better craft a role for him in their line-up.

For a player with JP's pedigree, and club control, the Pilers will be aiming for either a decent pick (ie. a late 1st rounder), or a similar reclamation project that can better fit the long term.... otherwise, they stand to benefit more by holding his rights and maintaining some leverage in the event he values being an NHLer long term above all else.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Matt Reeeeead

Czarnik is a player that is 1 year away from free agency and offers a skillset that sees him as a one dimensional, complimentary player, that requires being sheltered to succeed.... I agree with the notion that he's not an in demand trade chip which was evidenced by the Flames winning the bidding for his services by simply guaranteeing him a 1 way contract with an AAV of just over a $1M.

Teams would take him in exchange for a mid round pick to see if they can better craft a role for him in their line-up.

For a player with JP's pedigree, and club control, the Pilers will be aiming for either a decent pick (ie. a late 1st rounder), or a similar reclamation project that can better fit the long term.... otherwise, they stand to benefit more by holding his rights and maintaining some leverage in the event he values being an NHLer long term above all else.

Very good point and maybe I'm just not giving JP the credit he deserves, but I can't see any team trading a 1st rounder for him.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I think the bones of a deal is more something like Kylington for JP.
And again, I also believe the Flames are the last team the Oil would want to trade him to.

[Matt Reeeeead]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think the bones of a deal is more something like Kylington for JP.
And again, I also believe the Flames are the last team the Oil would want to trade him to.

I agree - I don't see a fit between the Flames and Oilers.

[FlamesAddiction]

It probably would cost more than just Czarnik, but I certainly wouldn't give up the 26th OA for him, or even a prospect that looks headed for the NHL.

JP has not progressed. That alone probably knocks him down to a late 1st in value. Add to that, he demanded a trade. That subtracts from value. Add to that, it is known that he has openly flirted with the idea of going back to Europe already. It's quite possible that he gives his new team just one season and if he doesn't advance as a top 6 forward, he leaves North America.

And you can't forget the double hip surgery.

All those things drastically reduce his value. Also consider that the Oilers can't really afford to take back salary either, so that also reduces what kind of project they can take back.

Plus, I can't see the Oilers wanting anymore draft picks or prospects that aren't ready. Holland has no connection to him and probably just wants something to help them make the playoffs.

I would love to give JP a chance on the Flames, but I sure wouldn't give up much for him. And I doubt a lot of teams would.

I also can't help but think Czarnik is at least capable of 15 goals and 30 points if he isn't buried by depth like he is on the Flames.

[Matt Reeeeead]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think the bones of a deal is more something like Kylington for JP.
And again, I also believe the Flames are the last team the Oil would want to trade him to.

I agree - I don't see a fit between the Flames and Oilers.

A team who could really use some wingers and some time to devote to a project (ie. the Kings) feel like a better fit.

Maybe if Gabe Vilardi is showing some signs of health a swap of high upside projects makes better sense.

[memphusk]

Trade for him just to watch him eat pizza like a monster? Yikes.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Puljuarvi would cost 26OA imo. This talk of Czarnik or a 12 spot drop is way off base. The Oilers would be better off leaving him in Europe and hoping he has a monster year if that was the case.

It absolutely would not.
The media has already procured the fact Edmonton is looking for a top 9 forward (3rd line forward) as a consideration to move him.

So from the Flames I would think they would look at:

Janko, Mang, Frolik, Czarnik (low chance)

Question is what would we be willing to give up if we truly think he's salvageable. I'd certainly take a chance just because our RW/RHS depth is basically null.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Puljuarvi would cost 26OA imo. This talk of Czarnik or a 12 spot drop is way off base. The Oilers would be better off leaving him in Europe and hoping he has a monster year if that was the case.

I doubt that he would fetch any first round draft pick at all, he's a reclamation project who also has kind of been clear that he won't accept another demotion to the AHL.


Edmonton has a pretty bad blueline. But



Brodie - Calgary 26 OA draft pick for Pool Party and number 8 overall


Edmonton finally gets a defenseman that can headman the puck out of his end and make a pass, that's on a fairly reasonable contract that will probably remain reasonable if he decides to stay. Edmonton also still gets to draft in the first round.


Calgary gets a reclamation project coming off of double hip surgery and a high pick.

[NuclearFart]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Would easily give up a 2nd for him. But Jankowski/Dube is too much. Still can't believe how many posters want to trade Jankowski for scraps.

Hard to blame them when he looks like Joe Colbourne ver 2.0. A big body who plays like a soft little body and appears devoid of that give a poop factor.

[Dajazz]

Size, speed and a good motor. That will get you a long way in the NHL. He’s got pedigree and talent, but doesn’t seem to handle the speed of the game to be a consistent scorer. I still think that if put in a position to succeed - right coaching, matchups etc - he will develop in to a Blake Wheeler light, or Kris Kreider.

I think his confidence was shattered coming over. Had language issues, ####ty coaching and the old boys club screwing with his expectations. Then a rabid fanbase turned on him as he was getting injured in an organisation infamous for its horrible handling of player injuries.

In essence, everything that could go wrong did go wrong. He probably has as much part in it himself, but he is/was a kid.

I doubt he’ll be a 40g scorer, but there is talent there. All depends on acquisition cost, but I think he’d look good in a flames uniform.

[iloveicedhockey]

Give them a third and zach pochiro.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I also can't help but think Czarnik is at least capable of 15 goals and 30 points if he isn't buried by depth like he is on the Flames.

The Flames don't have burying type of depth, particularly on the wing.
And he was given chances.
Apart from a short run, that included a number of lucky goals, he didn't produce.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I doubt that he would fetch any first round draft pick at all, he's a reclamation project who also has kind of been clear that he won't accept another demotion to the AHL.


Edmonton has a pretty bad blueline. But



Brodie - Calgary 26 OA draft pick for Pool Party and number 8 overall


Edmonton finally gets a defenseman that can headman the puck out of his end and make a pass, that's on a fairly reasonable contract that will probably remain reasonable if he decides to stay. Edmonton also still gets to draft in the first round.


Calgary gets a reclamation project coming off of double hip surgery and a high pick.

I don't see them parting with a top 10 pick AND Puljujarvi for Brodie and 26. Maybe Puljujarvi+2019 2nd for Brodie. They would need to move cap out though and it's not so easy when your roster is full of bad contracts.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Matt Reeeeead

I agree - I don't see a fit between the Flames and Oilers.

A team who could really use some wingers and some time to devote to a project (ie. the Kings) feel like a better fit.

Maybe if Gabe Vilardi is showing some signs of health a swap of high upside projects makes better sense.

I disagree. I think there is a pretty good fit between the two teams. Flames need more RW prospects, while Edmonton kind of needs both (lol) defensive and forward prospects. Its the fact that they're in division rivals (plus the whole BOA thing) that they would probably not trade with each other. I think a Kylington for JP trade is pretty fair actually.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I disagree. I think there is a pretty good fit between the two teams. Flames need more RW prospects, while Edmonton kind of needs both (lol) defensive and forward prospects. Its the fact that they're in division rivals (plus the whole BOA thing) that they would probably not trade with each other. I think a Kylington for JP trade is pretty fair actually.

Huh? I still have (likely unreasonably) high hopes for Pulju, but Kylington is better now, has more upside and plays a more valuable position. No way they're of equal value.