Flames - how to cure the rot for 2019/20

[Shazam]

Let's see how the Avs do in the next round before we write off all the Flames as slow and worthless.

[SportsJunky]

I just finished the You Be The Boss Poll in the Herald.
My Keep Him list:
Andersson
Bennett
Dube
Gaudreau
Giordano
Hamonic
Hanifin
Kylington
Lindholm
Mangiapane (give him a raise)
Monahan
Neal
Ryan
Rittich
Smith
Tkachuk (give him a raise)
Valimaki

Treliving
Peters

[420since1974]

Small Pet Peeve:

I'm often bothered when people propose lineups with players can-opener-ed onto on their off wings or D pairings.
It's very rare that a player can play as effectively on the opposite side from the one that they normally shoot from.
For example, I've seen plenty of proposals here that have Monahan, Jankowski, Mangiapane, Dube, Tkachuk, and Bennett at RW.
Very few of them have ever played any NHL minutes on their off-wing and the couple that have (Tkachuk and Bennett) did not excel when put into that position.
The same goes for suggesting Kylington or Valimaki at RD, it's highly unlikely to work nearly as well as if they just stayed on their natural sides.
Sure, plenty of NHL Centers have moved to their strong side wing, but wingers seldom successfully change sides apart from the PP, and it's even rarer for defense-men (Brodie, and to a lesser extent Fantenberg, are the only two exceptions on the Flames roster).

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Brodie is gone. Gio stays but will be on the #2 pairing.

lol. The guy who is about to win the Norris gets dropped to the second pair?

Giordano-Andersson will be our top pair next year.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

lol. The guy who is about to win the Norris gets dropped to the second pair?

Giordano-Andersson will be our top pair next year.

He had a career year.

He will start on the first pair. And then he will be on the second pair.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Shazam

He had a career year.

He will start on the first pair. And then he will be on the second pair.

No offence but your crystal ball has a sizable crack.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by BrennyBaller

I follow the Flyers pretty closely and Patrick seems a lot like a Bennett situation where if he wants to be successful in the NHL hes going to have to redefine himself as he isn't close to a bonafide NHL star.



On the other hand though, Couturier took a really long time to develop into an offensive center, as he had been thrown into a defensive role and really ran with it.

Couturier took awhile because he played in a defensive role with no PP time.

Usage is everything.


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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Well, supposedly Couturier was/is available. Point may be be. Nolan Patrick?

You’ll need to post a link, as I would say he’s absolutely not available. He’s a younger Bergeron/Toews.


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[Macindoc]

Try not to be home and cooled before the last week of the season? I think the meaningless games hurt the Flames' competitiveness a lot, compared to the Avs, who were fighting for their lives for 2 weeks before the playoffs, and were already in playoff mode, while the Flames (and Lightning, for that matter) never really got there.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

You’ll need to post a link, as I would say he’s absolutely not available. He’s a younger Bergeron/Toews.


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A month or so back, somebody in the know posted the Flyers list of untouchables and Couturier was not one of them. Giroux and Provorov and Hart seemed to be it basically. I can't recall now, but there was definitely some discussion about it on here. I want to say it was Lebrun or somebody else respectable.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by timbit

No offence but your crystal ball has a sizable crack.

His crystal ball is crumpled up tin foil.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

Gaudreau for Sean Couturier
Brodie for Tyler Bertuzzi

Bring in some top 6 players with compete.

those guys competed so well they missed the playoffs

[Monahammer]

I'd love to get sean couturier but it has to be without giving away Monahan, gaudreau, tkachuk or lindholm. We need to add to those guys not subtract.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by soulchoice

Yes. The flames were barely above .500 against playoff teams.

I don't think this stat is unique to the Flames...NHL is a hard league

being above .500 against good teams and killing bad teams sounds like the mark of a good team

[Ozy_Flame]

Wouldn't be adverse to a Monahan/Point deal. Tampa's going to likely need to save some bucks, and we could use a more dynamic center (kid is from Calgary to boot). However he is undersized and doesn't exactly solve our size and grit issue. More likely Brodie gets flipped, in which case I also hope it is just for picks - maybe we could even squeeze a late-round 1st for him at the draft. Andersson, Valimaki, and Kylington are more than capable to step in now.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Wouldn't be adverse to a Monahan/Point deal. Tampa's going to likely need to save some bucks, and we could use a more dynamic center (kid is from Calgary to boot). However he is undersized and doesn't exactly solve our size and grit issue. More likely Brodie gets flipped, in which case I also hope it is just for picks - maybe we could even squeeze a late-round 1st for him at the draft. Andersson, Valimaki, and Kylington are more than capable to step in now.

Although Point is smaller and struggled in the playoffs (which Lightning player didn't?), their is definitely a gritty aspect to his game. He is tenacious on the for-check and gets to the front of the net, plus his speed is elite, to go with a great set of hands. If the Lightning are crazy enough to trade him, the Flames should definitely pursue. My guess is it would have to be Monahan +.

Hopefully the fact Brodie is a dman and dmen come at a premium, means somebody will be willing to pay a heavy price to take a shot on him rejuvenating his career. If the window is now, I hope its for a top 6 guy to play on that 2nd line with Tkachuk (preferably with speed, to offset Tkachuk). Hoffman has always intrigued me, good skater and wikid shot. Not sure Panthers need D though.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by CGY12

Although Point is smaller and struggled in the playoffs (which Lightning player didn't?), their is definitely a gritty aspect to his game. He is tenacious on the for-check and gets to the front of the net, plus his speed is elite, to go with a great set of hands. If the Lightning are crazy enough to trade him, the Flames should definitely pursue. My guess is it would have to be Monahan +.

Hopefully the fact Brodie is a dman and dmen come at a premium, means somebody will be willing to pay a heavy price to take a shot on him rejuvenating his career. If the window is now, I hope its for a top 6 guy to play on that 2nd line with Tkachuk (preferably with speed, to offset Tkachuk). Hoffman has always intrigued me, good skater and wikid shot. Not sure Panthers need D though.

TB has Stralman, Coburn, Girardi and Rutta all expiring this summer. This may be a good time for them to replenish their D ranks. I'm thinking something that could work for both teams would be Monahan/Brodie for Point and perhaps a mid-level pick or prospect. TB kills two birds with one stone, Calgary gets their elite center and opens up space on the back end for the young guys.

Just spitballing of course, but it's not the craziest idea in the world.

[SeanCharles]

Gaudreau-Monahan-Kapanen
Tkachuk-Lindholm-Zucker
Mangiapane-Backlund-Bennett
Dube-Ryan-Hathaway

Gio-Andersson
Valimaki-Hanifin
Kylington-Hamonic

Rittich

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I'd love to get sean couturier but it has to be without giving away Monahan, gaudreau, tkachuk or lindholm. We need to add to those guys not subtract.

Couturier has more value than any Flames player, and you want to get him without giving up any of the Flames best players?




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[CliffFletcher]

Tampa would trade Stamkos before they move Point. Cooper uses Point in all situations and trusts him more than any other forward.