Next stop legalized Polygamy

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

I don't consider Catholics Christians because their way of salvation
differs from that of the Bible. They believe they enter into God's family through works administered by their church called "sacraments". This is foreign and contrary to scriptures. They believe that the church(their church) was established by Jesus Christ through Peter and that as such God would have them interpret and expand on the teaching provided by scriptures. Evangelical Christians believe salvation is obtained when one repents(turns to God) which is a decision of the heart and accepts the free gift of salvation Christ provided. There is no direct church involvement in this process. No human authority governs it.

Historically I understand that Catholics are considered under the umbrella
of Christianity because they look to the same God for salvation. Historically Mormons have not been seen under this umbrella because they aren't looking to our God as much as to becoming a God. They have bibles but believe them unreliable because of corruption over time and rely on their book of Mormon and two others as authoritative. The Bible is referenced only when it agrees with these books.

If the Mormons are to be considered Christians; why not the Muslims? They teach that Jesus was a great prophet as well. They also believe the bible has been corrupted and rely on their own holy book. They aren't seeking godhood but have a salvation of works like the Catholics.

Because they do not believe that Christ was the son of God and they do not follow the teachings of Jesus.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

I don't consider Catholics Christians because their way of salvation
differs from that of the Bible. They believe they enter into God's family through works administered by their church called "sacraments". This is foreign and contrary to scriptures. They believe that the church(their church) was established by Jesus Christ through Peter and that as such God would have them interpret and expand on the teaching provided by scriptures. Evangelical Christians believe salvation is obtained when one repents(turns to God) which is a decision of the heart and accepts the free gift of salvation Christ provided. There is no direct church involvement in this process. No human authority governs it.

Historically I understand that Catholics are considered under the umbrella
of Christianity because they look to the same God for salvation. Historically Mormons have not been seen under this umbrella because they aren't looking to our God as much as to becoming a God. They have bibles but believe them unreliable because of corruption over time and rely on their book of Mormon and two others as authoritative. The Bible is referenced only when it agrees with these books.

If the Mormons are to be considered Christians; why not the Muslims? They teach that Jesus was a great prophet as well. They also believe the bible has been corrupted and rely on their own holy book. They aren't seeking godhood but have a salvation of works like the Catholics.

Some people on this board don't even consider yourself a fair representation of a Christian. In fact you've had many debates with Christians about the nature of various things.

Yet you include yourself and exclude others?

[Nicole]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

The only ones I know are Mormon. They believe they need at least three wives to obtain godhood. Don't confuse Christians with Mormons. There isn't a lot in common.

Also, within the Muslim religion this is a common practice.

Wrong - They aren't Mormon, in fact if you are Mormon and try to practice polygamy, you will be excommunicated from that church. You've been reading too much anti-mormon literature which is not at all accurate.
Also, Mormons do consider themselves Christian, as they believe that it is Jesus Christ who is at the head of their church .. the reason they are "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS).

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Some people on this board don't even consider yourself a fair representation of a Christian. In fact you've had many debates with Christians about the nature of various things.

Yet you include yourself and exclude others?

Yes and one or both of us are wrong. You talk like I'm excluding
them from heaven. What I'm saying is: that God is clear that there
is one way to heaven. If the Catholics and the Baptists and the Mormons
all have different paths then at least two of them are wrong and
following a path that doesn't lead there.

To pretend that we all agree when we don't is unproductive. It might
be comforting but it's a false comfort. We are much better off recognizing
our differences and become certain within our own minds that we personally have chosen the right path and/or change our path.

We live in a time where the average Christian doesn't know his/her
church believes and couldn't give an answer for the little faith they
do have. It is no wonder people get drawn into cults or deceived
by vain philosophy.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Nicole

Wrong - They aren't Mormon, in fact if you are Mormon and try to practice polygamy, you will be excommunicated from that church. You've been reading too much anti-Mormon literature which is not at all accurate.
Also, Mormons do consider themselves Christian, as they believe that it is Jesus Christ who is at the head of their church .. the reason they are "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS).

They are Mormons and more faithful to Joseph Smith's teaching than
those who broke away from them to enter Statehood. I have read enough of the book of Mormon to know it conflicts with the Bible greatly. Christians are monotheistic. Mormons are not.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

They are Mormons and more faithful to Joseph Smith's teaching than
those who broke away from them to enter Statehood. I have read enough of the book of Mormon to know it conflicts with the Bible greatly. Christians are monotheistic. Mormons are not.

You have no clue do you. Christians are Monotheistic....

All I know is that the Mormons that I know......are very good people....better than many other people I know.....and as far as I am concered, it is how you treat people on this earth that will determine where you end up in the after life.....not what religion you believe in.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

You have no clue do you. Christians are Monotheistic....

All I know is that the Mormons that I know......are very good people....better than many other people I know.....and as far as I am concerned, it is how you treat people on this earth that will determine where you end up in the after life.....not what religion you believe in.

I wouldn't argue that many Mormons are good people. Salvation has
nothing to do with how good a person is. Salvation has everything to do with how good God is. There isn't a Catholic, Baptist or Mormon who
has ever lived that was good enough to enter Heaven.

[Calgaryborn]

Here is a press release regarding the ontario ruling:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070104/...rents_ca_col_3

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

I wouldn't argue that many Mormons are good people. Salvation has
nothing to do with how good a person is. Salvation has everything to do with how good God is. There isn't a Catholic, Baptist or Mormon who
has ever lived that was good enough to enter Heaven.

Are you for real???

Ever since you started posting here I thought you were a bit on the extreme side.....but with this post......you really show your colours. I bet this is what God is about. Nice....you keep believing that.....I know exactly where you are going.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Polygamy works much like communism. In theory....it is all fine and dandy....who cares.

In practice....polygamy is nothing more than another form of control, and in this case it is the mans control over the women and children. That is bad for society.

You mean every other species besides human's who practise polygamy?

Read Guns, Germs and Steel. Polygamy was commonly practised in hunter/gatherers, but faded to monogomy when society moved towards agriculture.

[Burninator]

Wouldn't this be bad for women? Doesn't polygamy emphasize male dominance? Wouldn't this go in the opposite direction of female equality?

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Wouldn't this be bad for women? Doesn't polygamy emphasize male dominance? Wouldn't this go in the opposite direction of female equality?

Or, it could open up oppertunities for women to pursue a career. By having a "larger family" of multiple parents, it would give more freedom for women to pursue higher education (ie. graduate school) and careers without being sattled to 2 parent system.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

You mean every other species besides human's who practise polygamy?

Read Guns, Germs and Steel. Polygamy was commonly practised in hunter/gatherers, but faded to monogomy when society moved towards agriculture.

Yes I am very much aware of other species and human history....your point?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Or, it could open up oppertunities for women to pursue a career. By having a "larger family" of multiple parents, it would give more freedom for women to pursue higher education (ie. graduate school) and careers without being sattled to 2 parent system.

We all know that would never happen.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Yes I am very much aware of other species and human history....your point?

That you said its all theory and would never work

It has

[photon]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Are you for real???

Ever since you started posting here I thought you were a bit on the extreme side.....but with this post......you really show your colours. I bet this is what God is about. Nice....you keep believing that.....I know exactly where you are going.

Are you misinterpreting what he's saying? He's not saying all Catholic, Baptist and Mormon aren't going to heaven, he's saying that no one gets into heaven by doing good things and being good. That's the fundumental Christian doctrine; saved by accepting Jesus as saviour, not by good works.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Wouldn't this be bad for women? Doesn't polygamy emphasize male dominance? Wouldn't this go in the opposite direction of female equality?

Yes polygamy has always been bad for women but, no one expects
women to flock towards it if it becomes legal. What is expected is as
marriage continues to get redefined it will become meaningless as an
institution. Feminist's see the traditional family as being patriarchal. In
most family units this is the case to varying degrees. Since they can't
outlaw it the next best thing to do would be to diminish it as a model.

After polygamy is legalized you will see very quickly non-sexual committed
relationships be afforded the same status. After all why should they be excluded. Next will be communal groups; such as religious and cultural sects. As the definition of marriage becomes more inclusive and complexed the government out of necessity will exercise greater control over the children. Why? Because of divorce. Who becomes the authority when parents split up? The courts. Who typically loses authority in such situations? The Father.

[Frank the Tank]

Don't you guys think that marriage needs to change? I mean, everything changes and evolves with time, what makes marriage the exception?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

That you said its all theory and would never work

It has

It has??? Ok if you want to compare prehistoric humans to today.....sure.....even tho then I am sure the man could kill the women without any consequences.....But ok it worked.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by photon

Are you misinterpreting what he's saying? He's not saying all Catholic, Baptist and Mormon aren't going to heaven, he's saying that no one gets into heaven by doing good things and being good. That's the fundumental Christian doctrine; saved by accepting Jesus as saviour, not by good works.

Oh....ok....IC now. Sorry CB.....but I still disagree with you. I am sure God would be more willing to let someone come to heaven who had always beens a good person compared to the dude who cheated, lied, stole and murdered but decided to accept Jesus the last few years of his life.

Just my thoughts...