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Enoch Root · 03-30-2019, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Smith is climbing slowly towards the NHL league-average save percentage.

According to hockey-reference.com, the league-average save percentage this year is .905. Smith sits at an even .900.

To reach the average mark, Smith would have to stop his next 50 shots against.

Since November 1st: 18-11-1, 9.06, 2.48

Nothing wrong with those numbers

Mathgod · 03-30-2019, 02:35 PM

.906 is, generally speaking, not a very good save percentage for a starting goaltender.

dammage79 · 03-30-2019, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mathgod

.906 is, generally speaking, not a very good save percentage for a starting goaltender.

Average is way down this year league wide. Sign of the times. I'm not saying this in defense of Flames goaltending as they've been collectively below league average all year, but aside from TB, there's no real stand outs.

1qqaaz · 03-30-2019, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mathgod

.906 is, generally speaking, not a very good save percentage for a starting goaltender.

90.6% used to be bad, but now it's okay.

Since 2015, the league average save percentage has gone down from 91.0% to 90.5%. Smith's 90.6% since November isn't too far off.

Except I think the Flames have above-average defense, and it's possible that most starting goalies might have pretty good stats if they were playing on the Flames.

TheScorpion · 03-30-2019, 02:43 PM

.906 is above this season's league average of .905.

GioforPM · 03-30-2019, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheScorpion

.906 is above this season's league average of .905.

And to get it there from where he was indicates a much higher than average percentage lately.

bettercallbettman · 03-30-2019, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TheScorpion

.906 is above this season's league average of .905.

Average doesn’t win Lord Stanley

midniteowl · 03-30-2019, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dube

Average doesn’t win Lord Stanley

But to get to league average now from where he was, his average is way above league average. A goalie get hot at the right time, most often then not will increase your chance of bringing Lord Stanley home.

The Yen Man · 03-30-2019, 05:06 PM

It feels like Peters is going to go with Smith in the playoffs. At this point, there's no point in bitching about the goaltending anymore, it is what it is. Might as well hope for the best and see where it goes. I have fingers crossed that Smith hits a hot streak and rides it. I still don't want the guy back next season under any circumstance, but here's hoping he wins the Conn Smythe for us this season :-).

PeteMoss · 03-30-2019, 05:18 PM

Fwiw...905 is the league wide save percentage but that includes empty net goals. You have to take those out to get the average goalies save percentage, so it's a fair bit higher than 905

PeteMoss · 03-30-2019, 05:21 PM

https://www.hockey-reference.com/leagues/stats.html.

This link shows it at 910 but I can't calculate out the difference. I'm assuming that excludes empty netters since it's higher than the league wide stats but can't verify it where I am.

GioforPM · 03-30-2019, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Fwiw...905 is the league wide save percentage but that includes empty net goals. You have to take those out to get the average goalies save percentage, so it's a fair bit higher than 905

ENG goals don't count against a goalie for save percentage.

tkflames · 03-30-2019, 05:23 PM

Pittsburgh won starting with Fleury and switching to Murray. Washington won starting with Grubauer and switching to Holtby.

I dont see any issue. This may be Smith's last run in the league. That kind of rallying point if the team gets on a roll is the kind of thing you can ride to the finals. If not, then Rittich slides in.

I trust Peters on this one. He has had a great pulse on the team all seasons and I trust him to make the changes as necessary to keep the team going...

PeteMoss · 03-30-2019, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

ENG goals don't count against a goalie for save percentage.

That is my point. The 905 save percentage that is being quoted is not the average save percentage of goalies. It is the save percentage of every team and includes empty net goals.

PugnaciousIntern · 03-30-2019, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by midniteowl

But to get to league average now from where he was, his average is way above league average. A goalie get hot at the right time, most often then not will increase your chance of bringing Lord Stanley home.

I agree he has improved, but to clarify the 0.906 is not the whole season, it’s after eliminating the particularly poor early games. His stats still aren’t league average.

That said, it’s playoff time and I don’t care what he did in October or even January. Just play the guy who gives you the best chance tonight.

GioforPM · 03-30-2019, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteMoss

That is my point. The 905 save percentage that is being quoted is not the average save percentage of goalies. It is the save percentage of every team and includes empty net goals.

Do you know that for sure? I haven't seen that. There are sites that list averages of goalies with a minimum number of games and I assumed it was from that.

PeteMoss · 03-30-2019, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Do you know that for sure? I haven't seen that. There are sites that list averages of goalies with a minimum number of games and I assumed it was from that.

I didn't decide to make it all up as a hilarious gag if that is what you are asking?

https://www.hockey-reference.com/leagues/NHL_2019.html. The 905 number is from there. You can look at the flames number on that chart of 903 and then click on the Calgary link to see their goalies have a 906 average.

midniteowl · 03-30-2019, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern

I agree he has improved, but to clarify the 0.906 is not the whole season, it’s after eliminating the particularly poor early games. His stats still aren’t league average.

That said, it’s playoff time and I don’t care what he did in October or even January. Just play the guy who gives you the best chance tonight.

But I'm not arguing his stat is better than league average though, I'm plain arguing that he is getting hot, and have a hot goalie going into playoff is what's best for the team.

GioforPM · 03-30-2019, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by midniteowl

But I'm not arguing his stat is better than league average though, I'm plain arguing that he is getting hot, and have a hot goalie going into playoff is what's best for the team.

Yeah, the better stats for him are his .919 or so since Feb. 1. Or his .933 over the last five games.

Textcritic · 03-30-2019, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by midniteowl

But I'm not arguing his stat is better than league average though, I'm plain arguing that he is getting hot, and have a hot goalie going into playoff is what's best for the team.

It could be, but this is not necessarily so. There tends too be very little correlation between team and individual player performances in March and what happens in the playoffs. Some players go on a hot streak, and then go quiet; some players just keep performing at the same level; some players seem to suddenly go on a tear once the playoffs begin.

It just doesn't seem to matter much.