If you were allowed to carry a concealed gun, would you?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

I think as soon as you start carrying a gun the likelihood of you being killed by a gun probably increases exponentially. If you pull out your gun to defend yourself, that may prompt whoever is assaulting you to pull out their gun and kill you. If you don't have a gun, you're not a lethal threat, meaning criminals may be more inclined not to 'remove the threat' by killing you. Just off the top of my head though...

Yes and no. For everyone who has survived some kind of situation that you are describing....there is probably just as many people that didn't survive it and didn't fight back in any way. I for one would rather have the option available for me to defend my self, rather than hope the criminal decideds he doesn't want to kill me or cause me grevious bodily harm to me.

[V]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Everyone of of us has seen crimes being committed. If you haven't...then you need some more life experience. You haven't been in a situation where a gun was needed because you have never approached someone to try and stop a crime from being committed or tried to arrest someone for committing a crime. There is where the situation becomes dangerous.

Yikes, the idea of common Joe using a gun (with at least a 90% chance he doesn't know how to use it) to stop common Jane from jaywalking scares the crap outta me.

Hell, how bout average Jane breaking into a pawn shop during the next installment of the Whyte Ave riot? 20,000 crazy drunk rioters all carrying concealed weapons. What a great picture.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Dominicwasalreadytaken

Yikes, the idea of common Joe using a gun (with at least a 90% chance he doesn't know how to use it) to stop common Jane from jaywalking scares the crap outta me.

Hell, how bout average Jane breaking into a pawn shop during the next installment of the Whyte Ave riot? 20,000 crazy drunk rioters all carrying concealed weapons. What a great picture.

Are you for real? Way to blow this discussion way out it to left field. Ya....people have said to use a gun on someone who is Jaywalking.

God....Typical CP posters twisting the discussion into something it isn't. You might want to go back and re-read the last few points.....the discussion was about Police officers being abled to carry their firearm with them when they are off duty. But you already know that because you quoted my post about it....

FYI......people who own guns legally....know the safe and proper way in using them. I would agree that putting most people into a high stress situation without the proper training is a bad idea....but thats not what your talking about so why bother.

[tussery]

Originally Posted by Dominicwasalreadytaken

Yikes, the idea of common Joe using a gun (with at least a 90% chance he doesn't know how to use it) to stop common Jane from jaywalking scares the crap outta me.

Wow you seriously think that 90% of gun owners don't know how to use there own firearms that they have invested a good amount of money into. Get a clue. Infact the majority of gun owners know more about the inner workings of there firearms and how they work more than you would think. Also many of them respect the power they have. The small portion of gun owners that don't give responsible gun owners a bad rep. I have grown up and lived around guns my whole life. Of course according to some of the peoples views on here you would think I have murdered 10-20 people already. When infact I have never pointed a gun at a human being once in my life.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Yes and no. For everyone who has survived some kind of situation that you are describing....there is probably just as many people that didn't survive it and didn't fight back in any way. I for one would rather have the option available for me to defend my self, rather than hope the criminal decideds he doesn't want to kill me or cause me grevious bodily harm to me.

Meh... I'll stand by my opinion that if you carry a gun, you're probably much more likely to get injured/killed by a gun, be it your own or someone else's. When someone mugs you, they usually just want your wallet. If you pull out your gun, you've now made him want your wallet AND want to shoot you.

I seriously doubt that people who don't resist to robberies are just as likely to be injured as people who do resist with a firearm. Anyone got some facts on this stuff??

[moon]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Ah...there are plain cloths officers on the beat every day that do the exact same thing and we don't see problems with that do we?

Everyone of of us has seen crimes being committed. If you haven't...then you need some more life experience. You haven't been in a situation where a gun was needed because you have never approached someone to try and stop a crime from being committed or tried to arrest someone for committing a crime. There is where the situation becomes dangerous.

There have been problems with plain clothes officers in the past yes.

Also I have never seen a crime being committed that would require a gun being used to stop it. It has nothing to do with never approaching someone.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by tussery

Wow you seriously think that 90% of gun owners don't know how to use there own firearms that they have invested a good amount of money into. Get a clue. Infact the majority of gun owners know more about the inner workings of there firearms and how they work more than you would think. Also many of them respect the power they have. The small portion of gun owners that don't give responsible gun owners a bad rep. I have grown up and lived around guns my whole life. Of course according to some of the peoples views on here you would think I have murdered 10-20 people already. When infact I have never pointed a gun at a human being once in my life.

Who cares if the gun owner has an intimate knoweldge of how the gun goes together, that's not what this thread is about. A guns owners knowledge of his gun and his mental state are not related. Just because you can assemble your gun with your closed doesn't mean you won't go shoot up a mall. Just because you have respect for the power of your gun doesn't mean you won't loose your cool and shoot someone in public.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by moon

There have been problems with plain clothes officers in the past yes.

Also I have never seen a crime being committed that would require a gun being used to stop it. It has nothing to do with never approaching someone.

Clearly you have not watched enough movies.

I can agree that carrying a gun will increase the chances of being killed by a gun(he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword) but I still believe police officers should go armed at all times.

Guns can be used to prevent crime, just as much as they can cause crime.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

...Everyone of of us has seen crimes being committed. If you haven't...then you need some more life experience. You haven't been in a situation where a gun was needed because you have never approached someone to try and stop a crime from being committed or tried to arrest someone for committing a crime. There is where the situation becomes dangerous.

You are making some rather unbelievable leaps in judgment here. One of the hallmarks of "life experience" includes witnessing the commitment of a crime? I am nearly 35 years old, have travelled much of the world, have lived in several large cities, am married with a family, and I am uncertain if I have ever actually witnessed a crime. Are you really suggesting that I "need to get out more?" Do you honestly believe that if I see criminal activity first hand it will make me a better person?
Situations in which someone might be called upon to stop a crime are dangerous, and this is precisely the reason why private citizens should be wary of getting involved. With so many cel phones in the hands of the public, I would think that a more prudent response to witnessing a crime would be to call the authorities.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

With so many cel phones in the hands of the public, I would think that a more prudent response to witnessing a crime would be to call the authorities.

You mean call for backup, right? Cause after you make the call its time to whip out your peice and take the bad guy down... for society's sake!

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

You mean call for backup, right? Cause after you make the call its time to whip out your peice and take the bad guy down... for society's sake!

Of course. Having a gun stuffed in my pants at all times would provide me with so much more oh-so-valuable "life experience", and in turn make me a better, much more seasoned person overall.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

What if it was mandatory for every citizen to take gun corses, gun safety, and were forced to carry a gun at all times. Would this increase or decrease the number of gun deaths?

Increase. There would be shoot outs in the bars every night.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by moon

There have been problems with plain clothes officers in the past yes.

Also I have never seen a crime being committed that would require a gun being used to stop it. It has nothing to do with never approaching someone.

You don't need a firearm to approach a criminal to stop a crime. However, if you approach someone and try to prevent the crime from happening or stop it from happening, that is where the situation may go wrong and a firearm is needed to take control of the situation.

Now....people might want to go back and look at my posts....I have been talking about off duty police officers not regular joe blows as some people try to make it out to seem. As for your statement "it has nothing to do with never approaching someone" it has everything to do with it. If you walk away, there is no conflict, if you approach the crime and try to prevent or stop it, there is where the conflict may arise.

There has also been problems with fully clothed police officers...so don't split hairs.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

You are making some rather unbelievable leaps in judgment here. One of the hallmarks of "life experience" includes witnessing the commitment of a crime? I am nearly 35 years old, have travelled much of the world, have lived in several large cities, am married with a family, and I am uncertain if I have ever actually witnessed a crime. Are you really suggesting that I "need to get out more?" Do you honestly believe that if I see criminal activity first hand it will make me a better person?
Situations in which someone might be called upon to stop a crime are dangerous, and this is precisely the reason why private citizens should be wary of getting involved. With so many cel phones in the hands of the public, I would think that a more prudent response to witnessing a crime would be to call the authorities.

Again...you are not reading what I am writing and turning and twisting what I have said. Why? I don't know.....but again typical CP posters.

When did I say that if you witnessed a crime...you are a better person???
God...read what I write would you.

So you are telling me you have never witnessed a crime? Hard to believe but what ever.

As for calling the authorities....your right, that is always the best option....and I never ever said that regular people should start acting like police officers....you made there weird jump. I said I would rather have an option to have access to a firearm if it was available rather than not having it when it may be needed.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

You mean call for backup, right? Cause after you make the call its time to whip out your peice and take the bad guy down... for society's sake!

Again twisting what people have said...nice work.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Again twisting what people have said...nice work.

It was a joke. Work on that panty-knot.

How did I do it 'again'? Feeling a bit slanderous today?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

It was a joke. Work on that panty-knot.

How did I do it 'again'? Feeling a bit slanderous today?

I know it was a joke but it still ****ed me off. As for "again".....it was ment as "CP poster" in general...not you...so for that I am sorry.

[JiriHrdina]

Jolinar - make your points please without making claims about the 'typical CP poster'.

[Flamescupbound!]

Yeah! Lets legalize concealed weapons in Canada; so then when I get in an argument with someone at the bar i can get shot instead of blindsided. Sounds like a real smart idea. No, I wouldn't carry a gun. You carry a gun, you will inevitably end up using it.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Flamescupbound!

Yeah! Lets legalize concealed weapons in Canada; so then when I get in an argument with someone at the bar i can get shot instead of blindsided. Sounds like a real smart idea. No, I wouldn't carry a gun. You carry a gun, you will inevitably end up using it.

Oh but it would be illegal to carry a gun into a bar. It would never happen. But if it does happen (which it wouldn't, because people who insist on carrying guns would never break the law, ever) your family can take solace in the fact that along with the murder charge, the guy who shot you will get a big fine and his license revoked.