Alberta Politics Thread v2

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

I might take a break from CP until April 17th.

Election season is always the time of the year where I am happiest that I don't have facebook.

[Resolute 14]

It's actually kind of amazing that the two parties are dead even in Edmonton. If not for all the controversy surrounding Kenney's leadership campaign and the potential of shifting voters that could create, that would actually be the most alarming thing for the NDP.

And, as far as the Alberta Party goes, that's the one I'd be most likely to vote for right now, assuming they actually bother to run candidates this time.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Is there really any chance Kenney is replaced when the election is a month away?

Doubtful at this point and truthfully unless he did something against the law, he doesn't have to according to the rules.

I had no idea about "kamikaze" candidates as a thing before all this stuff and as greasy and gross as it looks, it is a political tactic apparently.

I don't like the guy, but he isn't in my riding so i dont have to vote for him to vote UCP as i really like the woman that is our candidate. I have no idea who the AB party is though...havent heard a thing from them/him/her.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I think right now the stakes are what are driving the "one or the other" nature of peoples' political decisions. For most people, it seems to be either "we have to do everything possible to keep this awful, atrocious Kenney guy out of power", or "we have to do everything possible to oust this disastrous NDP government and begin to repair the damage they've done". That sort of thinking trumps the possibility of voting for a third party that may align best with your views, but doesn't have any real chance of winning anything.

I think the best source of votes for the Alberta Party may be NDP voters who are really closer to PC voters who would never have voted Wild Rose - more centrists who are in the "keep Kenney out" camp. If it becomes clear that the UCP is going to win, which is to say if things stay in the neighbourhood of two to one in the polls, some of those people might shift over to voting for their ideal, given that their "not my first choice but has a realistic chance to win" vote no longer has a realistic chance to win.

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

And, as far as the Alberta Party goes, that's the one I'd be most likely to vote for right now, assuming they actually bother to run candidates this time.

I asked Mandel this and he told me straight up they were going to aim for a candidate in every riding. Their website appears to have quite a few people listed as candidates - no idea if they're all official.
https://www.albertaparty.ca/candidates

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

It's actually kind of amazing that the two parties are dead even in Edmonton. If not for all the controversy surrounding Kenney's leadership campaign and the potential of shifting voters that could create, that would actually be the most alarming thing for the NDP.

And, as far as the Alberta Party goes, that's the one I'd be most likely to vote for right now, assuming they actually bother to run candidates this time.

There are currently ~75 candidates and the plan is to have a candidate in all 87 ridings. So take a look, chances are you already have an AP candidate in your riding.

[DiracSpike]

Has Notley said anything this week about the dickheads in BC challenging bitumen shipments in the BC court of appeals?

[Ozy_Flame]

One thing I don't like about the AP is having Mandel as the leader. I know he's a nice guy, motivated and wants to do well, but Greg Clark as leader would have been far better in the long-run. Motivated, a fresh face, easy to engage, and knows both sides of the social and economic story that modern Albertans want.


That guy would have made a fantastic premier someday. I hope he gets that chance again.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Even though they've pretty much only shot themselves in the foot so far, still think it's unlikely to UCP loses this election....but, I do think they've brought a minority government into play, which given how easy this election should have been for them is pretty terrible. Wouldn't shock me to see Kenney basically go underground this month and just tell everyone in the party to bunker down as well. I don't think the NDP can do anything to win this, but I definitely think the UCP can do enough to botch this.

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

We should do a weekly poll. Currently I have no idea who I am going to vote for, so I'd be undecided but that will change as we get closer.

Same with me. Unfortunately each party has policies or views that would normally be a complete show stopper for me and be enough for me to reject them. But I have to vote for someone. Maybe I'll look closer at the individual candidates in my riding than I normally do.

Originally Posted by Travis Munroe

Is the blue collar / white collar difference between Edmonton and Calgary (assuming) the main reason for such different voting or is there something else I am missing?

Yes, but as I have stated before it is not because the white collar/blue collar split is different in the two cities. It is not, they are virtually identical. The difference is in the type of white collar jobs most dominant in each city and therein lies the difference if you ask me. Edmonton is more civil service, administrative, and academic white collar. Calgary is more private sector and dominated by the energy industry.

[the_only_turek_fan]

^ SCD, I think they will have enough to get 44 seats.

https://daveberta.ca/alberta-election/

I would think the UCP has these in the bag:
Calgary-Acadia
Calgary-Bow
Calgary-Edgemont
Calgary-Elbow
Calgary-Klein
Calgary-Lougheed
Calgary-North West
Calgary-Varsity
Calgary-West

Chestermere-Strathmore
Drayton Valley-Devon
Drumheller-Stettler
Fort McMurray-Wood Buffalo
Fort McMurray-Lac La Biche
Grande Prairie-Wapiti
Grande Prairie
Innisfail-Sylvan Lake
Maskwacis-Wetaskiwin Olds-Didsbury-Three Hills
Peace River
Rimbey-Rocky Mountain House-Sundre
Taber-Warner
Vermilion-Lloydminster-Wainwright

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Wiggum_PI

Unless he actually illegally contributed money to Callaway's campaign, I don't see any reason he should be gone. The collusion was definitely a dumb and sleazy thing to do, but not necessarily illegal.

What about the fact that he lied about the whole thing though? Going from denying it outright as crazy conspiracy to downplaying it and saying it was just routine communication and now the leaked emails showing just how involved his own campaign team was to Callaway's campaign. Multiple people at the secret meeting have said that Kenney was involved in the discussion and others have said he approached them for similar plans (namely Fildebrandt) but he still denies that he was aware of any kamikaze plan. It's a joke.

If illegal and legal is your defining line for a leader and don't care if they are "sleazy" I guess that speaks volumes towards you.

[robbie111]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

AP right now is a word-of-mouth party, that really needs to engage the disenfranchised voters from both sides.

I may be biased, but I truly feel they are the party that represents most Albertans, who site somewhere on the slightly left or right of center, or right down the middle. If nothing else, it is the party that should give people the least amount of stress.

Just had a read of the Alberta Party shadow budget. It's very well done and I was pleasantly surprised and if the UCP doesn't remove Kenney at least I know who I'm going to vote for now.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Love that DiracSpike is doubling down on calling all BCers dickheads.

If I wasn't a dickhead in BC I would vote for the Alberta Party. They have a pretty centrist platform and the UCP is just FULL of disgusting humans and Jason Kenney is at the top of the heap in that respect.

[Weitz]

Can Mandel even run? Did that get sorted out?

[bomber317]

looked through the thread, but didn't see it posted.

Article about Notley in Macleans from a week ago.

https://www.macleans.ca/politics/rac...-to-thank-her/

Not sure what party I will be voting for.... It will be difficult to have some objective discussions with my colleagues on this. Should be an easy win for UCP, but they keep stepping over themselves to make it somewhat interesting.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

I would think the UCP has these in the bag:
Calgary-Elbow

This is Greg Clark's riding, so I sure as hell hope not.

Originally Posted by Weitz

Can Mandel even run? Did that get sorted out?

He's listed as a candidate on their website:
https://www.albertaparty.ca/stephenmandel

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

Love that DiracSpike is doubling down on calling all BCers dickheads.

If I wasn't a dickhead in BC I would vote for the Alberta Party. They have a pretty centrist platform and the UCP is just FULL of disgusting humans and Jason Kenney is at the top of the heap in that respect.

Are all BCers currently filing that case to the Court of Appeals? Did I use the word "all"? It's pretty clear I'm talking about the moronic destructive government your Province voted in but take it personally if you want.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Can Mandel even run? Did that get sorted out?

Yeah he was OK'd to go ahead.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Can Mandel even run? Did that get sorted out?

Yup, all of the candidates that were issued bans were reinstated.

[habernac]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Can Mandel even run? Did that get sorted out?

Yes, he is eligible.

https://edmontonjournal.com/news/loc...oming-election