[Trade] Mark Stone (8yrs, $9.5mil AAV) to Vegas for Erik Brannstrom, Lindberg, 2020 2nd - Page 12 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

GioforPM · 02-25-2019, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jore

Yeah, that was an rfa contract and he’s underpaid and that’s part of why the flames are so good this year. He’s gonna get a contract probably bigger than stone’s next go around

It was RFA, but there's not as much difference these days. Gaudreau was also a holdout through camp, and the contract bought some UFA years. And he's 5th in the league in points (even with a dry spell). Stone's scoring stats are much less impressive, even with this big year.

CaptainCrunch · 02-25-2019, 01:45 PM

Someone else said it, and I think they're right, the no state tax was probably a big factor in the contract extention, and a equivalent Calgary deal would have been north of 10 a year. Its a contract that the Flames couldn't do with the upcoming contracts.

Flames Draft Watcher · 02-25-2019, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CroFlames

Truth be told you might need to keep Valimaki in the chamber for a summertime trade for a bonafide #1

We’re not trading Valimaki. He is very likely to be the best young defensemen we have.

Dajazz · 02-25-2019, 01:50 PM

Good. Relieved.

Stone is great, but what player is he in the west? On line two? In three years? And for nine and half freaking million per year?

Too many uncertainties at that cost.

Well done Tre. Keep building, we are going to be good a long time.

Resolute 14 · 02-25-2019, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TheScorpion

If they could have given up Valimaki and NOT give up a first... man, Treliving, what the hell, man.

How does Duchene get two firsts and Stone gets ZERO?

Stone got no firsts because Columbus rushed into the deal for Duchene and Dorion overplayed his hand on Stone. Seems like once Winnipeg went with Hayes and Calgary walked away, the market collapsed somewhat.

GioforPM · 02-25-2019, 01:55 PM

Remember all those posts with cap calculations showing how Calgary signs Stone and Tkachuk (and Bennett and Rittich)?

Show me one that had Stone at $9.5.

SuperMatt18 · 02-25-2019, 02:08 PM

Player A:

Age:24 GP: 62 G: 25 A: 44 P: 69 +/-: 25 CF%: 54.87%

Player B:

Age: 27 GP: 59 G: 28 A:34 P:62 +/-: 13 CF%: 52.24%

Player A has 5 years left on a 6 year $4.85M contract signed last off-season.

Player B signed a 8 year $9.5M contract.

I really like Mark Stone but cap space means a lot in the new NHL. I'd much rather Treliving keep focusing on finding players about to break out like Lindholm that you can get on good value, than he go and get "peak" players like Stone that need big raises.

If it was just the trade acquisition price, or the UFA cost required to sign Stone that would be fine but to give up both a big trade haul, and then have to sign him at a UFA rate that's tough.

Enoch Root · 02-25-2019, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Remember all those posts with cap calculations showing how Calgary signs Stone and Tkachuk (and Bennett and Rittich)?

Show me one that had Stone at $9.5.

Maybe Calgary signs him to a shorter deal? Who knows what would have happened. Vegas' deal isn't the same as what Ottawa offered him.

dissentowner · 02-25-2019, 02:16 PM

Both teams lose. The Sens did not get enough in return and Mark Stone got overpaid, too much term, and that lineup is not coming out of the West even with him.

redforever · 02-25-2019, 02:17 PM

Can't say I like the $ or term of the contract that Stone got but also have to say, wish we had got him.

This is where Tre has to step back and quit signing players of diminishing returns like Morrison, Brouwer and Neal to big contracts. Those contract come home to haunt you at times just like now.

Roughneck · 02-25-2019, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Maybe Calgary signs him to a shorter deal? Who knows what would have happened. Vegas' deal isn't the same as what Ottawa offered him.

Not sure a shorter deal would translate to a smaller AAV.

GioforPM · 02-25-2019, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Maybe Calgary signs him to a shorter deal? Who knows what would have happened. Vegas' deal isn't the same as what Ottawa offered him.

No, but I think when he's a clear UFA, you might pay more per year for a shorter deal. Plus, most of those projections were at $8.5 - a whole million less. I doubt he's going down to 8.5 US in Calgary, especially with tax implications making it an even bigger gap.

My point is only that he really would screw up the cap situation.

Enoch Root · 02-25-2019, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Roughneck

Not sure a shorter deal would translate to a smaller AAV.

Point is we don't know. We can't argue definitively that we could or couldn't work him into the cap because we don't know what he could have signed him for.

Roughneck · 02-25-2019, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Point is we don't know.

Nah, we know. A player isn’t giving up prime UFA years for less money.

Enoch Root · 02-25-2019, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Roughneck

Nah, we know. A player isn’t giving up prime UFA years for less money.

okay then

GioforPM · 02-25-2019, 02:37 PM

What was Stone's contract ask last off season, when the Sens gave him a one year extension? His numbers were nowhere near what they are now.

They should have given him his asking price and moved him for a huge return this year.

TheScorpion · 02-25-2019, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Stone got no firsts because Columbus rushed into the deal for Duchene and Dorion overplayed his hand on Stone. Seems like once Winnipeg went with Hayes and Calgary walked away, the market collapsed somewhat.

Yeah, you're exactly right. And Stone's contract ask undoubtedly swayed the return, too. Might not have been a lot of serious suitors for him at $9.5 million. Makes a lot more sense now.

Think it's more of a case of Columbus overpaying than Vegas underpaying.

JohnnyB · 02-25-2019, 02:39 PM

That salary would have been a mess for the Flames to deal with. Whether Stone is worth the money or not based on stats, I'm glad the Flames didn't upset the apple cart with that contract.

SuperMatt18 · 02-25-2019, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Yeah, you're exactly right. And Stone's contract ask undoubtedly swayed the return, too. Might not have been a lot of serious suitors for him at $9.5 million. Makes a lot more sense now.

Think it's more of a case of Columbus overpaying than Vegas underpaying.

Think the contract is part of it for sure, and think Ottawa wanted to make sure they got a top prospect out of these deals and from all accounts Brannstrom is that guy.

Think they probably should have really pushed that the 2nd was a 1st rounder still though.

Overall I think the trade makes sense for Vegas - they can absorb that cap hit and it doesn't really mess with their team cap structure. But likely makes less sense for the Flames with the acquisition cost + contract extension cost in mind.

Beninho · 02-25-2019, 02:45 PM

Also Vegas is exempt from the expansion draft, so that’s another advantage over other teams. Complete bull#### if you ask me

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