Calgarypuck Mafia Game Thread

[SebC]

With one mafia dead, we hit lynch or lose no earlier than Day 6. While I will reiterate that I am not convinced of GGG's innocence, I would rather see him lynched on Day 4 (specifically Day 4, take note of this if I am banned) than Day 2, on the grounds that if he's town he could still be more useful than most other players, and if he's mafia then at least he's talking, and there's a chance that he could slip up.

But the argument to lynch him is quite compelling. I can't justify lynching a non-GGG veteran, as none of them have caused half the suspicion as he has. So I'm left with the "newbies playing poorly" theory. It's at least internally consistent.

crazy_eoj seems very, well, not crazy. In other discussions on the board, he's never been one to shy away from his agenda. Here, it seems his objective is to lay low, and fit in.

While some might see this as a very weird deflection, let me get ahead of you by asking you this: were we in cahoots, would I not have told GGG to lay low until I take the heat off him? I know this post looks so much weirder now that he has voted.

[SebC]

Vote: crazy_eoj

[Scornfire]

Regarding Biz, He didn't really do anything terribly antagonistic nor did he lay much in the way of breadcumbs towards anyone other than Agulati/Myself and HG, he mentioned he believed HG was acting differently than past games, but that's about it. Nobody brings this up yet, not even GGG, which seems like a big miss for someone so thorough

However, I don't like how Quickly GGG went from 1 to 2 votes, to a 3rd from a lurker (Who goes out of his way to point out that his "Emotional" reasoning is consistent with his last vote). Now Lurker 2 votes GGG just piggybacking on everyone elses theories. It's not helpful

I don't want to get rid of someone who can potentially help us a lot more than 2 people who haven't contributed a whole lot of anything. GGG is still the most Suspicious Veteran so far, I'd probably lean Eoj given current voting patterns *If* GGG can give us a good post later in the day as he's promised

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Are we really going to let GGG off the hook? He is the most thourough player in this game and he’s made 2 big slips with his missed vote count and comment about Sebs vote. That isn’t something he does, ever. When Bonded was getting in trouble he comes out with a full court press to try and take the heat off him.

He isn’t even “death posting” like he normally would. I would have expected him to give us a recap to what his theory was for the remaining people so if he does get banned we will be able to have a clean record of it instead of having to peice it together after the fact. Flames fan GGG would be trying to help us till the end.

I'm not at all ready to let him off the hook. You make a good point about the "death posting" thing, I hadn't thought about it that way, but if he had done that in the past, why not now? I've got no strong reads on anyone else on this day, but I'm feeling pretty strongly GGG is an Oilers troll at this point.

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

Bah - this just stinks. I totally agree with Pux that there is virtually no conversation going on that isn't directed against GGG. There has been a few posts since Pux mentioned this, but it's just so quiet. I really think the Oilers are playing quiet today hoping for no real conversation and just letting GGG get banned without having to do much at all.

I think the night kill of Bizaro has been completely overlooked so far. I'm glad DropIt brings it up (even though it puts on the focus on me) as it seems the Oilers just got a free ban and no one is really analyzing why it happened. If nothing of any further consequence happens today, I'm concerned the kill of Bizaro will be completely overlooked with information from two new bans available for discussion. Would really like some further opinions on the bizaro ban now - its really helpful down the road to see early theories on items as you can sometimes see people knowing too much in early days, but it is only caught through hindsight. By no one talking about the Bizaro kill, we lose that advantage.

What seems odd to me is Biz was probably after Scorn the hardest, with Agulati a close 2nd. He did throw out a vote for MrK, but that was admittedly for someone who "had not yet voted" (#145), so I dont put much stock into that.

If there were players who were to be pissed off or threatened by Biz it would seem to be Agulati or Scorn, who now both seem to be Flames (Scorn moreso).

So I can't imagine Biz was close to outing another Oiler, and that his kill was to try and set us In another direction, but that trail seems to stop dead.

So my two thoughts are either:
1. Biz was a revenge kill. He was the one who started the finger pointing at Bonded about his PM/Conn Smythe comment. If this is the case I would wager we have a very inexperienced Oilers group as this would he a very poor choice IMO.

2. Another Oilers member was almost killed off, and they had to choose one to sacrifice, and the Bizaro kill was used to set the trail dead, leaving us with no clues as to whom that other person was.

Those are off the top of my head thoughts.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by SebC

He's dominating too much of the conversation. We don't set ourselves up very well for the rest of the game if today is all about GGG. My vote is now available to support a quality competing theory, should one develop.

While I still have cause to distrust GGG, I also have reasons to buy his defence: one is something that he would not want to admit, and the other is something that I am reluctant to disclose, as it could inform mafia strategy.

If you have something that "could inform mafia strategy" I guess I'm interested in what that could be, and at this point if GGG IS a Flames fan, is it not better to help protect him with that info, than letting him get banned? Currently a lot of heat is on him, so if we need to switch our vote(which I am not advocating at this point) should everyone know that? Also curious what he wouldn't want to admit that you know...It seems like you are trying to protect him but not doing it very helpfully.


Going to do some more drywalling, but I'll be back later this afternoon.

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Are we really going to let GGG off the hook? He is the most thourough player in this game and he’s made 2 big slips with his missed vote count and comment about Sebs vote. That isn’t something he does, ever. When Bonded was getting in trouble he comes out with a full court press to try and take the heat off him.

He isn’t even “death posting” like he normally would. I would have expected him to give us a recap to what his theory was for the remaining people so if he does get banned we will be able to have a clean record of it instead of having to peice it together after the fact. Flames fan GGG would be trying to help us till the end.

Absolutely not. GGG is still atop the charts I think, not to mention he jumped on EOJ right after I brought him up, which kind of seems like he grabbed at the first accusation he read that wasnt him?
Although I have mostly skimmed the past 2 pages and maybe EOJ was questioned more thoroughly than I realized?

The point of my posts were to bring more light to the Biz kill rather than pull attention away from GGG

[SebC]

I'm not sufficiently persuaded of his innocence to say things that could help mafia to defend him.

However, I think I can say what GGG might not want to admit. He has a pattern of selfish play. In the spore game (where players could be turned into mafia), he pushed hard that a certain course of action was a "town play", when in fact it was only a good play for him. His assertion that he was deliberately sandbagging his play in this game could fit this pattern.

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by DropIt

What seems odd to me is Biz was probably after Scorn the hardest, with Agulati a close 2nd. He did throw out a vote for MrK, but that was admittedly for someone who "had not yet voted" (#145), so I dont put much stock into that.

If there were players who were to be pissed off or threatened by Biz it would seem to be Agulati or Scorn, who now both seem to be Flames (Scorn moreso).

So I can't imagine Biz was close to outing another Oiler, and that his kill was to try and set us In another direction, but that trail seems to stop dead.

So my two thoughts are either:
1. Biz was a revenge kill. He was the one who started the finger pointing at Bonded about his PM/Conn Smythe comment. If this is the case I would wager we have a very inexperienced Oilers group as this would he a very poor choice IMO.

2. Another Oilers member was almost killed off, and they had to choose one to sacrifice, and the Bizaro kill was used to set the trail dead, leaving us with no clues as to whom that other person was.

Those are off the top of my head thoughts.

I had not considered this, but its a very good point. Despite the point being very innocent, this could be pointed to as the start of the end for Bonded. This is the point from bizaro:

Originally Posted by bizaro86

This is an interesting post. My PM from Oling says to join the official thread and debate whether Bennett wins the Conn Smythe this year.

Perhaps the Oilers were concerned that bizaro was good at picking up on the minor things and just got rid of him as they considered him strong? I agree that the revenge kill angle isn't very smart, but had not really considered the possibility.

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

He isn’t even “death posting” like he normally would. I would have expected him to give us a recap to what his theory was for the remaining people so if he does get banned we will be able to have a clean record of it instead of having to peice it together after the fact. Flames fan GGG would be trying to help us till the end.

That's true.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Day 2

With 13 posters, it takes 7 votes to ban user prior to deadline. It takes at least 5 votes to ban user at the deadline. A tied vote at deadline results in no banning.

Vote Count:

Votes GGG(5): Hockeyguy15, Fuzz, WinnipegFan, dissentowner, crazy_eoj

Votes Hockeyguy15(1): mrkajz44

Votes crazy_eoj(2): GGG, SebC

Hasn’t Voted (5):
Puxlut, devo22, DropIt, Scornfire, agulati

Deadline is Sunday, January 27th at 10:00 PM Mountain Time.

[dissentowner]

I am not changing my vote at this point but I am willing to listen to what GGG has to say. Also thought I should point out because there are new players in this game, if you are the mod and you hit on an Oiler fan come out with it. One can be detected and the other has proxy protection which means you are not hitting on him regardless. I think we also need to start tipping the mod off who we think would be the best choice to look into next night. So if we decide to lynch one guy but we have strong suspicions about another we can get a read. I would advise everyone to contribute a name as well so that the Greasers cannot look and try to zero in on the mod because they did not post a Cper to check.

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I am not changing my vote at this point but I am willing to listen to what GGG has to say. Also thought I should point out because there are new players in this game, if you are the mod and you hit on an Oiler fan come out with it. One can be detected and the other has proxy protection which means you are not hitting on him regardless. I think we also need to start tipping the mod off who we think would be the best choice to look into next night. So if we decide to lynch one guy but we have strong suspicions about another we can get a read. I would advise everyone to contribute a name as well so that the Greasers cannot look and try to zero in on the mod because they did not post a Cper to check.

Yeah, with killing off one Oiler fan so early, a second one in the next few days would make it a pretty easy numbers game to whittle down.

Without going g back to find the post again, I'm guessing Bonded was not the proxy Oiler, but would that information be revealed following a lynch?

As far as voting goes, right jownIm between GGG and Crazy I think. However if GGG turned Calgary fan, then I think HG would be my next look and probably gets my vote for inspection from the Mod

[agulati]

Folks I’ll read through, catch up and post my thoughts in the next couple of hours or so.

[mrkajz44]

I would like to see HG be checked by the mod, unless things move of GGG today for someone else. Then I'd like to see GGG checked.

Interesting to see how agulati, Scornfire, DropIt, and Pux all don't have votes down right now and they were 4 of the 6 votes on Bonded. I have them all as town due to the vote on Day 1, but none of them are voting now as the deadline approaches? Would love to see votes from them to help guide a bit as I place their opinions higher than others right now.

[Scornfire]

My initial thought was to vote GGG, he got piled on so fast I didn't want to risk the hammer and be the impetus for a wrongful ban. My vote still leans to him pending his post later this evening. I don't want him banned before then

[Fuzz]

Responding to Dropit's Q:

Without going g back to find the post again, I'm guessing Bonded was not the proxy Oiler, but would that information be revealed following a lynch?

It was revealed in this post:


https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...&postcount=380



That Bonded was a common troll. So at best, the mod could identify one more troll.

[Scornfire]

As far as mod inspection goes, I guess HG/Eoj/Winnipegfan?

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

I would like to see HG be checked by the mod, unless things move of GGG today for someone else. Then I'd like to see GGG checked.

Interesting to see how agulati, Scornfire, DropIt, and Pux all don't have votes down right now and they were 4 of the 6 votes on Bonded. I have them all as town due to the vote on Day 1, but none of them are voting now as the deadline approaches? Would love to see votes from them to help guide a bit as I place their opinions higher than others right now.

My vote currently sits on GGG, and at I have a habit of being long winded and typing out responses in pieces over a 15-20 minute window, I didnt want to end up being the 7th on GGG unknowingly

[devo22]

it's past 11 pm over here, so I'm off to bed soon. Since I don't want to be a no-voter today, I'll put my vote on GGG again. I have mixed thoughts about crazy_eoj too, but I'll stick to my initial feelings. Be careful though, as this sets up hammer.


as for the mod, I'd like to see HG or mrkajz investigated.