[Game Takes] Flames 4 Hawks 3

[Bingo]

Game Takes:
Flames 4 Hawks 3

- Lazy middle period turns with dominant third
- Gaudreau show again
- Rittich gets beat short side on two iffy goals

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Game Takes:
Flames 4 Hawks 3

- Lazy middle period turns with dominant third
- Gaudreau show again
- Rittich gets beat short side on two iffy goals

I saw the scoresheet with Monahan and 10 shots and was shocked. Some great chances in there too.

Yeah Flames need to watch this falling behind business. Even if you outplay the opposition on balance, it's a bad habit that absolutely will kill you in the playoffs.

I hope that Rittich is early enough in his career that he can make adjustments quickly to what is happening with some of these bad angle goals, and that any bad habits aren't too ingrained. It is a good point that teams how have some film on the guy.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I saw the scoresheet with Monahan and 10 shots and was shocked. Some great chances in there too.

Yeah Flames need to watch this falling behind business. Even if you outplay the opposition on balance, it's a bad habit that absolutely will kill you in the playoffs.

I hope that Rittich is early enough in his career that he can make adjustments quickly to what is happening with some of these bad angle goals, and that any bad habits aren't too ingrained. It is a good point that teams how have some film on the guy.

Those shots go in on a *lot* of goalies. I don't think there's much to be concerned about.

[Cheese]

The Flames are getting into some lazy habits knowing or hoping they can outgun in the third. I think they get a spanking soon. A wake up call.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by the2bears

Those shots go in on a *lot* of goalies. I don't think there's much to be concerned about.

Johnny would have over 40 goals this season already if that's the case as he tries that almost every game multiple times. The Kane goal was pretty sneaky but I don't think it's a coincidence when two goals from poor angles get scored. I would say it's very seldom you see a goaltender get beat twice in the same game on shots like that so while nobody should be jumping off bridges it's something to keep an eye on.

[edslunch]

Another old stat is goals scored, like the one Hathaway scored on the PK. I know one data point doesn’t refute an argument but was surprised it wasn’t at least mentioned in a section devoted to his performance.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Cheese

The Flames are getting into some lazy habits knowing or hoping they can outgun in the third. I think they get a spanking soon. A wake up call.

Couldn't agree more.

Bingo has been a proponent of this thought for years now and it is the whole

"you win games right before a losing streak and lose games right before a winning streak"....or something along that line.

This club is digging holes that at some point is going to cost them. With the schedule this month, its a really bad time to get into such a pattern.

Between now and February, there are 2 teams in a playoff position they will face and one of those is on the precipice of falling out.

This is the month they can really solidify a hold on top spot....they need to take advantage of it.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Johnny would have over 40 goals this season already if that's the case as he tries that almost every game multiple times. The Kane goal was pretty sneaky but I don't think it's a coincidence when two goals from poor angles get scored. I would say it's very seldom you see a goaltender get beat twice in the same game on shots like that so while nobody should be jumping off bridges it's something to keep an eye on.

Perfect shots are beating any goalie that ever played at any level....ever.

That's why they are called perfect shots.

Hawks bagged a couple in the same game....no big deal.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Perfect shots are beating any goalie that ever played at any level....ever.

That's why they are called perfect shots.

Hawks bagged a couple in the same game....no big deal.

The first top shelf goal was a lot better than the second IMO.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The first top shelf goal was a lot better than the second IMO.

That's fine but it remains that if those shots aren't placed exactly where they were....they don't go in.

It wasn't a positioning issue.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Another old stat is goals scored, like the one Hathaway scored on the PK. I know one data point doesn’t refute an argument but was surprised it wasn’t at least mentioned in a section devoted to his performance.

I was going to mention that but then thought otherwise since it was an empty netter as well.

[shutout]

Goaltenders are taught to play the percentages. That means going down early on pucks in the corners so that they can cover more of the net and be more explosive on passes out front. What that means is that for most goaltenders there is a two inch gap between shoulders and crossbar where goals can be scored. This space is there on almost every goaltender. Perfect shots are going to beat goaltenders there.

Would be interesting to see how many shots are taken from bad angles and how many get scored, along with how many passes in front get stopped because a goaltender was already most of the way in position.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by shutout

Goaltenders are taught to play the percentages. That means going down early on pucks in the corners so that they can cover more of the net and be more explosive on passes out front. What that means is that for most goaltenders there is a two inch gap between shoulders and crossbar where goals can be scored. This space is there on almost every goaltender. Perfect shots are going to beat goaltenders there.

Would be interesting to see how many shots are taken from bad angles and how many get scored, along with how many passes in front get stopped because a goaltender was already most of the way in position.

I can tell you that more than half the goals I see on highlights are "bad" goals according to this site.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Another old stat is goals scored, like the one Hathaway scored on the PK. I know one data point doesn’t refute an argument but was surprised it wasn’t at least mentioned in a section devoted to his performance.

Turned out to be the GWG as well, with the late tally by the Hawks.

Also, idea that a goal over a goalie’s shoulder beside his mask when his arm is sealed to the post is soft is just getting silly.

[Bingo]

Flames PK rankings to bring Hathaway into a discussion ...

Time / Goal Against (big good)

Row Labels	Sum of Min/Goal	NHL Rk
Garnet Hathaway	11.6	85
Mark Jankowski	11.5	87
Travis Hamonic	9.5	146
Derek Ryan	7.7	230
Elias Lindholm	7.5	238
Mark Giordano	7.2	256
TJ Brodie	6.9	269
Noah Hanifin	6.8	270
Mikael Backlund	6.2	315
Juuso Valimaki	5.5	349
Michael Frolik	5.2	357
Michael Stone	4.6	368

Scoring Chances against per 60 minutes

Row Labels	Sum of SCA/60	NHL Rk
Mark Jankowski	38.3	46
Michael Frolik	39.6	62
Derek Ryan	42.1	90
Noah Hanifin	43.9	114
Travis Hamonic	45.2	129
Garnet Hathaway	45.5	135
Mark Giordano	45.5	138
Juuso Valimaki	45.9	144
TJ Brodie	46.7	161
Elias Lindholm	49.3	213
Mikael Backlund	49.5	214
Michael Stone	51.8	245

High Danger Chances Against per 60 minutes

Row Labels	Sum of HDCA/60	NHL Rk
Mark Jankowski	12.2	29
Travis Hamonic	13.7	45
Derek Ryan	17.9	123
Mark Giordano	18.3	135
Elias Lindholm	19.1	154
Garnet Hathaway	19.6	170
Noah Hanifin	20.2	188
Juuso Valimaki	21.9	244
TJ Brodie	22.6	262
Mikael Backlund	24.3	297
Michael Stone	28.5	345
Michael Frolik	30.3	362

Jankowski slays all three ...

[442scotty]

I think after looking at the tapes of his high corner goals Rittich will be able to make an adjustment. He didn’t seem to move on either against Chicago. Not much time to move on Kane but more on the Saad shot. I’m not a goalie but is there enough time for a shoulder shrug/lift?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

I think after looking at the tapes of his high corner goals Rittich will be able to make an adjustment. He didn’t seem to move on either against Chicago. Not much time to move on Kane but more on the Saad shot. I’m not a goalie but is there enough time for a shoulder shrug/lift?

Anisimov IIRC was wide open about 15 feet out heading towards the net so Rittich had to cheat a bit on the pass.

I think he played it the way he had to and got beat in the 1 spot he could have by a perfectly placed shot.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Anisimov IIRC was wide open about 15 feet out heading towards the net so Rittich had to cheat a bit on the pass.

I think he played it the way he had to and got beat in the 1 spot he could have by a perfectly placed shot.

I agree with this. For a shot from that angle it wasn’t great save selection but he looked like he was hedging bets that D takes the shot away and playing the pass.

With Kane he was transitioning from VH to RVH (post pad up to down), at essentially the right time, and Kane’s timing of release and placement was perfect. A bit closer in and Rittich can continue to use his trapper forward to take away the vertical angle to the top of the net.

[Yrebmi]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

We're on Justin Bourne watch, folks!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1075038190027792384

https://twitter.com/user/status/1075067768850894848

If the Flames get 2 points tonight, they're over the .650 threshold and Mr. Bourne must settle up.

We need to follow up on this.
Quote is from the gameday thread

Edit - ha looks like Mr. Justin Bourne has removed the tweets. I wonder if that means he will weltch on his promis

Edit 2 tweets still there just broken links. To view follow back to original post