[News] Jan 3 UPD: Frolik's agent complains about his ice time

[Beninho]

Oy this isn’t good, team doesn’t need distractions. Things have been going so well

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Freeway

That's kind what agents do, though. They're supposed to advocate for their clients.

Not generally in public. That tends to backfire.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Some of you underrate the trade value of Frolik and Stone IMO. Both are solid NHLers and both have positive value. Stone is worth a 2nd when healthy if I had to guess. Frolik is certainly worth more than a 5th-6th

Stone wasn’t worth a second before he signed his current contract, was healthy scratched and developed injury concerns.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Two guys with no trade value and worse yet, neither on expiring deals. Not very attractive to other clubs looking to rebuild unless you are taking on a bunch of term for a veteran.

Which hasn’t worked out great so far for this club.

Nah, I don't think it's that cut and dry.

They both have value to rebuilding teams in need of each bodies.

They aren't pieces that make a team give you anything of value, but they aren't so bad you have to pay a higher price to get.rid if them.

Cap values have to work for a trade. If the rangers want toove a high value player for a high value pick(s), they understand they will have to most like accept salary back.

If Tampa wants McDonough and Miller, the rangers take back namestnikov to consummate the deal and get the valuable picks they are after.

[Flash Walken]

Lol, stone a second.

Guy is a healthy scratch for 15 games in favour of 2 raw rookies and his value increases above what he was traded for just a season prior.

No, Michael Stone is not worth close to a 2nd.

[Phagoof]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Oy this isn’t good, team doesn’t need distractions. Things have been going so well

Really? We've lost 4 of 5.

[btimbit]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1079536914313560064

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Stone was worth a 3rd and a 5th just two short seasons ago, and I doubt that value has increased. I imagine he might fetch a 4th if he was dealt after the season.

But we have the wizard. And a 3rd and 5th is very close value to a 2nd.

Polak was traded for a 2nd one deadline IIRC. Doug Murray who’s a worse skater than Stone was once traded for two 2nds at a deadline. Teams will overpay for defensive depth heading into the playoffs.

Treliving got a conditional 1st/2nd+ for Russell who many here thought was total garbage. Treliving got a 2nd and 3rd for Glencross who only had 9 goals in 55 games that year and was quickly out of the league. Didn’t he get a 2nd and 4th for a declining Hudler as well?

Treliving is a wizard when it comes to dealing away vets. I wouldn’t be worried about any potential Stone or Frolik trade if he decides to make one.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

What would you be willing to send back our way?

Nic Petan would likely be involved. Outside that no point in guessing.

[FlamesAddiction]

I think we could easily get a 2nd, and maybe even a decent prospect for Frolik. But I wouldn't do that trade unless we had plans to acquire another similar player somehow.

[Phagoof]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think we could easily get a 2nd, and maybe even a decent prospect for Frolik. But I wouldn't do that trade unless we had plans to acquire another similar player somehow.

not a chance. Maybe a 3rd.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Nic Petan would likely be involved. Outside that no point in guessing.

Would love a 2nd rounder in addition but would be okay with a 3rd

[TheScorpion]

If I were doing it, I'd start increasing Frolik's playing time by putting him in Backlund's spot on the powerplay. (Not Ryan's, because they'll want a right-handed shot in his spot -- I'd either keep him there or put Andersson there.)

Backlund is by far the worst fit on the second powerplay. He doesn't do anything there. Zero points this season on the powerplay.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Nah, I don't think it's that cut and dry.

They both have value to rebuilding teams in need of each bodies.

They aren't pieces that make a team give you anything of value, but they aren't so bad you have to pay a higher price to get.rid if them.

Cap values have to work for a trade. If the rangers want toove a high value player for a high value pick(s), they understand they will have to most like accept salary back.

If Tampa wants McDonough and Miller, the rangers take back namestnikov to consummate the deal and get the valuable picks they are after.

I hear you but they’re not adding any value to a trade. Yes you could include them in a trade where you’re giving up picks, but if you didn’t include them, the deal still gets done. You’re doing it because you need to move the salary not because the other team covets them. And your trading partner knows this. Their value as borderline NHL players is relatively low and lowered by their salary commitment for next year.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Disappointing hearing that from his agent - I hope it is just his agent spewing nonsense as his agent is known to do. Frolik can't be happy with how he is utilized this season, but he seems to be a consummate team player, and I don't think he would say much to rock the boat... but we don't know anything really.


As for the situation, I do think that Frolik in the lineup makes the Calgary Flames better. He is fast, and he is one of the best players on the forecheck and on the PK. He doesn't have much of a shot, and he isn't much of a playmaker, but he is a good depth role player that seems to make the players he is with better. Plus, can anyone really say they have ever seen Frolik dogging it? I can't. He might be the consistently highest-working player on the Flames.



In a perfect world, the Flames manage to trade him to another team for tangible assets. I can imagine that this puts quite a strain on the relationship with the coach, but who knows... maybe they have already talked about it and it is water under the bridge already. Will be interesting to see what happens - nothing? Increased playing time? Trade? Either way, Frolik has been a good soldier for the Flames from the onset.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I hear you but they’re not adding any value to a trade. Yes you could include them in a trade where you’re giving up picks, but if you didn’t include them, the deal still gets done. You’re doing it because you need to move the salary not because the other team covets them. And your trading partner knows this. Their value as borderline NHL players is relatively low and lowered by their salary commitment for next year.

Yeah, I agree they aren't adding value, but if they aren't willing to take salary back, their pool of trade partners is limited.

[Psytic]

What if we just keep Frolik and Stone for our playoff run instead of trading anyone? If we meet Winnipeg or Anaheim there will be injuries. I would almost guarantee it.

[Reggie Dunlop]

A pick/prospect for Frolik would be acceptable if it gives Treliving a bit of cap space to play around with come deadline.

I think the team is confident that Dubé is versatile enough to play as a two-way winger.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Psytic

What if we just keep Frolik and Stone for our playoff run instead of trading anyone? If we meet Winnipeg or Anaheim there will be injuries. I would almost guarantee it.

You run the risk we won’t be able to unload them in the summer and be in significant cap trouble if Tkachuk pushes for a contract is north of $8M per.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Nic Petan would likely be involved. Outside that no point in guessing.

I’d rather a 3rd round pick than another undersized not top 6 forward.