Sigh indeed. Brouwer played almost 100 mins on PP. That's 100 more that he should have. If he only played PP less than half a season as you suggest then he got a ton of PP in that limited time. So he either played a ton in the games he was on the PP or he played 1:14 per game all season. Either way, Brouwer was a regular on Gulutzans PP.
This is raked PP ice time by forward.
Monahan 3:37
Gaudreau 3:32
Versteeg 3:06X
Tkachuk 2:58
Backlund 2:08
Foo 2:06X
Ferland 1:51
Jagr 1:35X
Bennett 1:21
Brouwer 1:14
Jankowski 48
Even when you remove Versteeg, Foo and Jagr (who all played limited games), Brouwer had the 7th most PP time. Include those players and he had the 10th most per game. Fixture is a huge overstatement. Jankowski could have taken his place. Everyone else had more icetime than Brouwer.
That Brouwer was used as much as he was with those injuries is as big an indictment of the Flames depth at forward than it is an indictment of the coach's usage of him.
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However it is important to note that he was used on the powerplay steadily in the first part of the season before eventually being pulled long after the fans saw how horrible he was. The eventual right move pulled the average time way down. Not trying to take away from your point just adding a little more context.
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However it is important to note that he was used on the powerplay steadily in the first part of the season before eventually being pulled long after the fans saw how horrible he was. The eventual right move pulled the average time way down. Not trying to take away from your point just adding a little more context.
I agree. The last 20 games are meaningless from last season.
It was a problem when the team still had a chance but he was on the PO more often earlier on. At least that’s how I recall it
Sigh indeed. Brouwer played almost 100 mins on PP. That's 100 more that he should have. If he only played PP less than half a season as you suggest then he got a ton of PP in that limited time. So he either played a ton in the games he was on the PP or he played 1:14 per game all season. Either way, Brouwer was a regular on Gulutzans PP.
1:14 per game all season is second unit time. But, moreover, I said to look at the game log. In November he was pulled from the PP entirely - you see a bunch of games with pretty much no time (or the amount of time you'd expect if he went on when the PP was ending). He didn't go back until much later. Then, in those other games he has around 1 minute - second unit time. It's very rare that he has any time equivalent to first unit time.
1:14 per game all season is second unit time. But, moreover, I said to look at the game log. In November he was pulled from the PP entirely - you see a bunch of games with pretty much no time (or the amount of time you'd expect if he went on when the PP was ending). He didn't go back until much later. Then, in those other games he has around 1 minute - second unit time. It's very rare that he has any time equivalent to first unit time.
He played regularly on the 2nd unit or he played tons in fewer games. How else does he play 100 PP minutes?
Take your pick. This isn't Stajan or Hathaway we are talking about.
He played regularly on the 2nd unit or he played tons in fewer games. How else does he play 100 PP minutes?
Take your pick. This isn't Stajan or Hathaway we are talking about.
Again, look at the game log. Look at the games he played practically zero time. That's when he was off.
Anyway, my argument was that he was not on the first unit much.
Again, look at the game log. Look at the games he played practically zero time. That's when he was off.
Anyway, my argument was that he was not on the first unit much.
Ah, that clarifies things. My argument is that regardless of which line he is on, if the Flames have been given an opportunity to play 5-on-4, he is not the best player to put on the ice. I don't care much who else he plays with.
Ah, that clarifies things. My argument is that regardless of which line he is on, if the Flames have been given an opportunity to play 5-on-4, he is not the best player to put on the ice. I don't care much who else he plays with.
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...Where would he put Lindholm, he had Brouwer on first unit remember? Nobody could supplant Brouwer, it was called the Brouwerplay instead of powerplay afterall.
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Ah, that clarifies things. My argument is that regardless of which line he is on, if the Flames have been given an opportunity to play 5-on-4, he is not the best player to put on the ice. I don't care much who else he plays with.
Frankly, who else would you have put net front on the second unit last year?
For all his issues, the powerplay wasn't on Brouwer. They just had no movement.
Frankly, who else would you have put net front on the second unit last year?
For all his issues, the powerplay wasn't on Brouwer. They just had no movement.
You are right, the powerplay wasn't on Brouwer, it was on the coach...
Whether he played on the first unit at times (which he definitely did a lot), or on the 2nd unit, he was still chosen by GG and used poorly. At the same time, GG and Cameron also decided not to utilize Hamilton at all for one and a half years on the first unit power play.
And on Brouwer, he has a wicked shot when he uses it. Do you think a team with a good coach actually played him in front of the net? No, they used him like Sean Monahan is being used this year. Brouwer can't shoot if he's hemmed in front of the net and used as a distraction...
Another team, same useage
Search brouwer power play on Youtube, you won't even find a Flames video in 2 years despite being most recent. That in itself shows just how bad GG was as a coach.
You are right, the powerplay wasn't on Brouwer, it was on the coach...
Whether he played on the first unit at times (which he definitely did a lot), or on the 2nd unit, he was still chosen by GG and used poorly. At the same time, GG and Cameron also decided not to utilize Hamilton at all for one and a half years on the first unit power play.
And on Brouwer, he has a wicked shot when he uses it. Do you think a team with a good coach actually played him in front of the net? No, they used him like Sean Monahan is being used this year. Brouwer can't shoot if he's hemmed in front of the net and used as a distraction...
Another team, same useage
Search brouwer power play on Youtube, you won't even find a Flames video in 2 years despite being most recent. That in itself shows just how bad GG was as a coach.
Two of these videos are the same goal
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This season has been so much fun, a good deal is due to Mr. Peters, and I think this is a great way of quantifying it:
Loss Margin: Since the opening night game (2-5 loss to Vancouver), the Flames have only lost one game by more than 2 goals. The infamous Penguins 1-9 slaughter.
Win Margin: In contrast, the Flames have won 12 games by more than 2 goals, including three games by a margin of 5 goals.
Since the start of the season, the Flames are almost ALWAYS in a game. They also tend to win handily quite consistently. I am not sure what it means for the team, but as a fan it makes for great entertainment.
Thanks Bill!
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This season has been so much fun, a good deal is due to Mr. Peters, and I think this is a great way of quantifying it:
Loss Margin: Since the opening night game (2-5 loss to Vancouver), the Flames have only lost one game by more than 2 goals. The infamous Penguins 1-9 slaughter.
Win Margin: In contrast, the Flames have won 12 games by more than 2 goals, including three games by a margin of 5 goals.
Since the start of the season, the Flames are almost ALWAYS in a game. They also tend to win handily quite consistently. I am not sure what it means for the team, but as a fan it makes for great entertainment.
Thanks Bill!
This is an absolutely absurd stat considering we've played 28 games since that slaughter.
