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Just spoke to #Flames GM Brad Treliving on the suspensions (Lomberg and Giordano). On Lomberg's situation: “There are some black and white rules that we know and respect and understand. I think in Ryan’s case, we love the kid’s heart. In his mind, he’s doing the right thing to come to the defence of a teammate that he feels took an unnecessary hit. So, I totally get it from (his point of view). But I understand the rules and understand the rulebook as it’s applied to those situations. I understand that.”
With the Gio situation, we see it differently. Disappointed. The way everything ended (in the third period) we have a different view of the situation with respect to Mikael (Backlund) and respect to Gio, we are disappointed...and we see it differently but we accept the decision and our sole focus is getting ready for Saturday.”
They are not in contact with each other yet. That is a result of the camera angle.
From the video SureLoss posted in post 250, the contact can be seen at around 0:36 from this angle. To me it looks like the lower part of Gio's knee hits Koivus from the side. I initially thought he caught Koivu's skate but the contact happens before that.
I don't agree with the suspension based on other hits like it and the video AC posted of the Benn hit. No consistency.
From the video SureLoss posted in post 250, the contact can be seen at around 0:36 from this angle. To me it looks like the lower part of Gio's knee hits Koivus from the side. I initially thought he caught Koivu's skate but the contact happens before that.
I don't agree with the suspension based on other hits like it and the video AC posted of the Benn hit. No consistency.
Rewatched - yeah okay, it is pretty close to knee on knee (except for the fact that Gio straightens his leg just as he is about to make contact. Also, if you watch the overhead angle that they show very briefly, the contact looks lower than the knee. But yes, it is closer than I thought from watching before.
Still nothing like the Benn hit where he attacks with the knee. Giordano reacts instinctively to missing Koivu, and sticks out his leg. Benn was being predatory.
So now we have to play the BoA shorthanded, all because the refs allowed a play to happen that shouldn't have to begin with if they could do their job?
Eff you DOPS.
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"You never want to see anybody injured. Never. Never," said Flames' GM Brad Treliving. "Mikko Koivu is a pro and has been a helluva player for a long time in this league.
"Our feeling is there was no intent to injure. They see the play differently than we do. Gio, 13 years in the league, never been suspended. Plays the game hard, plays it honest.
"So we have a different view on that.
"You can't argue Lomberg, at all. Ryan is doing what he felt necessary. He's there trying to come to the aid of a teammate he thought was taken advantage of.
"I get that.
"But the rule is written very clearly for the last five minutes of a game. So while I understand Ryan's intent, I also understand that the rule is the rule.
"At the end of the day, we respect the (Giordano) decision, we understand how difficult the job is, and will live by it. But we disagree.
"It's just hard, going back to the Chicago game, when Travis (Hamonic) takes an elbow to the face that might've warranted further discipline.
"(Chris) Kunitz was given a five-minute major on that play. Fortunately Travis wasn't injured in that situation.
Very peculiar that it's precisely 2 games. I would've thought 1, tops. This is frickin Mark Giordano after all. Definitely NOT a dirty player. But heck, maybe there's season management/meddling in the league too. Trying as hard as they can to keep Edmonton fans out of the suicide booth over their terrible, incompetent team by keeping the rivalry as 'competitive' as possible. Would also explain Edmonton having probably the most rested vs tired team games in the past three seasons (they must have the most, if not in the top 2 or 3 teams).
NHL player safety mentions in the video that Giordano had been fined once before. What they don't mention is that was 432 games ago. And since that time Giordano is averaging 24 minutes 34 seconds a night.
10,612 mins 48 seconds of discipline free hockey. That's more than most NHLers will play in their entire career. And all of it defending the toughest players in the league.
He should have been given the maximum fine just like he was in 2013. It was a once a in a blue moon bad decision, not an attempt to injure.
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Disappointing. Though I agree that the Gio hit was a bit dirty, I also argue that it was neither of the 'ugly' variety nor a deliberate intent to injure. Lomberg is a fairly open and shut case, though I am surprised that they gave him an additional game over the automatic. I think they came down hard on the these two given how Lucic was let-off with no action over a similar incident a week or two ago, and Kunitz wasn't even looked at. It really seems like there are 10 different people in charge of supplementary discipline for the NHL, and they all see things vastly different than one another. That's the frustrating part.
Now the Flames are without their best defencemen and their best defensive forward. It will be interesting to see how McDavid does on Sunday and what the gameplan will be, as well as who gets the responsibilities with match-ups. However, Flames still have to play a pretty damn good Nashville team as well.
Will be very interesting to see how this club responds with those two games. Just terrible timing with given the Flames are playing a top team in the league next, and then their divisional (and historical) rival the next night.
Just see the DOPS as being too inconsistent at times and it really does seem like anyone's guess on an incident-by-incident basis.
