2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The year before TB went to the conference finals, they didn't make the playoffs

The year before the Jets went to the confernece finals, they didn't make the playoffs

The year before the Preds lost in the finals, they lost in the 2nd round, the year before they lost in the 1st round, the year before they didn't make the playoffs.

There are countless other examples

This is not a one year thing. Obviously no one wants to lose in the 1st round. But if it happens, the window isn't closed.

The Jets traded a 1st rounder at the deadline last year for Paul Statsny.

Nashville traded a first round pick for Hartman at the deadline last year.

Tampa has traded a 1st rounder twice in the last 3 years.

Contenders deal picks for a reason.

As good as that roster was prior to the trade, do the Jets make the conference final without Stastny going a point per game in the playoffs?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

The Jets traded a 1st rounder at the deadline last year for Paul Statsny.

Nashville traded a first round pick for Hartman at the deadline last year.

Tampa has traded a 1st rounder twice in the last 3 years.

Contenders deal picks for a reason.

As good as that roster was prior to the trade, do the Jets make the conference final without Stastny going a point per game in the playoffs?

Cool.

And they let him walk. And they are still contenders.

[8sPOT]

I guess it comes down to the player we would be acquiring.

Just seems that a deadline deal involving a team trading away a 1st round pick usually doesn't go very well.

Have to see some players etc. And then there is the contract status, health history, the team bonding component.

Its not as easy as just saying flip a 1st and a 2nd for Jamie Benn and off we go!

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

The Jets traded a 1st rounder at the deadline last year for Paul Statsny.

Nashville traded a first round pick for Hartman at the deadline last year.

Tampa has traded a 1st rounder twice in the last 3 years.

Contenders deal picks for a reason.

As good as that roster was prior to the trade, do the Jets make the conference final without Stastny going a point per game in the playoffs?

And the Flames added Hamonic last year.

There is no single formula or timeframe for these things. You're being as rigid and close-minded as you were on the flip side when the Flames made trades to acquire players.

It's a balance. They have done a great job of stocking the roster. Now it is time to restock to prospect roster.

[Enoch Root]

The other thing about Wpg is that they hadn't made any trades prior to Stastny. It's about change at at the margin - if you've traded your last 2 firsts, you probably shouldn't do it again this year. If you haven't, maybe it's worth considering.

Try to put a little flexibility into your thinking process.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The other thing about Wpg is that they hadn't made any trades prior to Stastny. It's about change at at the margin - if you've traded your last 2 firsts, you probably shouldn't do it again this year. If you haven't, maybe it's worth considering.

Try to put a little flexibility into your thinking process.

“You probably shouldn’t”, well - that depends on the return. If it’s for a player who is at an age that could be around for years...then you still do it if you like the fit.

If you’re burning 1st round picks year after year for rental players, yeah - bad idea generally.

[Monahammer]

I wonder if the devils will rent out taylor hall since hes ab upcoming ufa

[icecube]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I wonder if the devils will rent out taylor hall since hes ab upcoming ufa

I don't see any chance in hell they do that. You don't want your franchise player seeing if the grass is greener somewhere else. They should be and probably are doing everything in their power to sign him to a long term deal.

[GioforPM]

What I can't find an example of is a team trading for a rental goalie who takes them across the finish line that year. Or even a non-rental.

Because that to me is the main missing piece. Not that Rittich hasn't been good and not that Smith has no game left ever, but obviously there are questions for both. The dilemma is that you normally have to get lucky and draft a goalie or trade for a backup who blossoms suddenly. It's pretty rare to trade for a prime stud goalie.

[iloveicedhockey]

Ryan Miller was traded a few years back to the blues I think? Don't think it worked out.

[ah123]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

What I can't find an example of is a team trading for a rental goalie who takes them across the finish line that year. Or even a non-rental.

Oilers acquired Dwayne Roloson at the TDL in 2006, and he was a big part of their run to the finals

[Bingo]

I think we will see a changing of the guard when it comes to first and second round picks for upper teams and their value in the near future.

More and more cap is going to 6-7 players on each team making the entry level players playing a role on cheap contracts more and more important. Teams that trade their firsts and seconds every year used to be just mortgaging their future for the present, but now they're mortgaging their present too because third and fourth liners are so unlikely to rise above the froth and become impact players.

You need those young players coming in and taking up spots.

The Flames have three on the blueline right now, and one up front on the second line.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by iloveicedhockey

Ryan Miller was traded a few years back to the blues I think? Don't think it worked out.

Yeah, they traded Halak (!), Carrier, Stewart and a couple picks for for him and Ott. They lost in round one to the Hawks and they let him go (going with Elliott and Allen (!)).

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ah123

Oilers acquired Dwayne Roloson at the TDL in 2006, and he was a big part of their run to the finals

Maybe. I think Pronger was the reason they went so far, but it's true Roloson played a part. He was a rental they re-signed the next year (and then he Oilered it up and lost his job to Garon).

That one year was a real anomoly and even then he sure didn't look like a world beater in the regular season. He somehow became good for one PO run. Which he repeated for TBL in 2011.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I wonder if the devils will rent out taylor hall since hes ab upcoming ufa

Hall is a ufa after next year

[David Struch]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Teams that trade their firsts and seconds every year used to be just mortgaging their future for the present, but now they're mortgaging their present too because third and fourth liners are so unlikely to rise above the froth and become impact players.

You need those young players coming in and taking up spots.

The Flames have three on the blueline right now, and one up front on the second line.

* two on the second line... Sam Bennett?

Not much for defenseman besides Rinat Valiev, Andrew Nielsen and Josh Healey.

Lots of forwards to potentially fill in the ranks up front though...

Mark Jankowski
Austin Czarnik
Andrew Mangiapane

Dillon Dubé
Spencer Foo
Matthew Phillips

Filip Sveningsson
Mathias Emilio Pettersen
Demetrios Koumontzis
Martin Pospisil
Milos Roman
Adam Ruzicka
Dmitri Zavgorodny

[Toonage]

^ I think Bingo was referring to young players on their ELCs?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

The Jets traded a 1st rounder at the deadline last year for Paul Statsny.

Nashville traded a first round pick for Hartman at the deadline last year.

Tampa has traded a 1st rounder twice in the last 3 years.

Contenders deal picks for a reason.

As good as that roster was prior to the trade, do the Jets make the conference final without Stastny going a point per game in the playoffs?

All of these teams have stacked prospect pools.

Tampa gave JP their first for 2 players in Miller and McDonaugh that they were able to retain. Hartman was 23 and a long term piece when the Preda got him.

Stastny walks but the Jets have an extremely deep pool thanks to a lot of picks and good drafting.

If Calgary can trade for a young cost controller player at the deadline and they use their 1st that is acceptable in my opinion. If they can get a player that is doing well and was drafted in the top 2 rounds of the last 3 drafts and can be signed to a bridge deal then go for it.

Guys like Panarin, Bobrovsky, Simmonds, Eberle etc that would all be rentals and surely walk due to the cap crunch it makes no sense at this time for the Flames to make a move involving their 1st

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think we will see a changing of the guard when it comes to first and second round picks for upper teams and their value in the near future.

More and more cap is going to 6-7 players on each team making the entry level players playing a role on cheap contracts more and more important. Teams that trade their firsts and seconds every year used to be just mortgaging their future for the present, but now they're mortgaging their present too because third and fourth liners are so unlikely to rise above the froth and become impact players.

You need those young players coming in and taking up spots.

The Flames have three on the blueline right now, and one up front on the second line.

It seems to me that in a cap world, the best bang for your buck is the goalie. With our present management, goal tending seems to be one of our chronic weaknesses. I wonder if more time, resources and money should be directed to solving this problem.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think we will see a changing of the guard when it comes to first and second round picks for upper teams and their value in the near future.

More and more cap is going to 6-7 players on each team making the entry level players playing a role on cheap contracts more and more important. Teams that trade their firsts and seconds every year used to be just mortgaging their future for the present, but now they're mortgaging their present too because third and fourth liners are so unlikely to rise above the froth and become impact players.

You need those young players coming in and taking up spots.

The Flames have three on the blueline right now, and one up front on the second line.

Unfortunately, the time to be supplementing this core with good ELC contracts has passed. We're seeing what you get when you build that way with Andersson and Valimaki and Dube, but unfortunately the Flames spent a ton of those picks for pieces that aren't with the team anymore or who weren't worth it in the first place.

The Flames also don't have the luxury of picking top 15 anymore like they did to establish their existing core group. The Flames will finish likely in the 20s, hopefully the mid or high 20s this year for first rounders. With the team more or less set on contracts, this is hopefully the new normal for the next 3 years.

The Flames don't need help when Gaudreau is 30, they need help now. Top end help that pushes guys down the roster.

Tre has breathed new life into the organization with the Lindholm/Hanifin trade, I think the flames would be nuts not to spend as much as possible early in their contention window rather than throwing picks at a problem 3 or 4 years from now after the core group can't get over the hump.

Good teams trade high picks early in their period of contention, bad teams trade them towards the end for one last kick at the can.

Set the team up for success. Trade a 1st and a prospect and a marginal roster player for Hossa and Dupuis and see if you can't get your young group to the conference or cup final.