Nick Kypreos @RealKyper
A @NHL phone hearing will take place between @NHL supplemental discipline department and @FlaPanthers Matheson for hit on @Canucks rookie sensation Pettersson. A hit that led to his head injury. @Sportsnet @hockeynight
Matheson didn't target his head, to me it was two guys tangled up and Matheson outmuscled him and threw him down. I would honestly say it wasn't all that dirty, there wasn't a slew foot, Matheson was the physically stronger player and took advantage of it.
To me its a roughing penalty. If a hit like that happened with Johnny, and he does get outmuscled a lot, its still a two minute penalty. Matheson also avoided a pretty easy destroyer hit from behind so I doubt the story line that he was upset about being deked out.
Like I said 2 minutes, and if a Canuck decides to fight him, that's about it. But lets not making it out to be some kind of disgustingly dirty piece of head hunting. Pettersson was outmuscled and it looked worse then the play actually was.
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I am a firm believer that punishments should be universal.when watching any "dirty play" we need to ask, if that happened to Tanner Glass would there be a suspension.
The NHL should not suspend players based on who it is that got hurt.
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If Patterson was stronger, he wouldn't get finished like he did.
That's what happens when a smaller guy takes on a bigger guy that finishes their hit. If a player was an NHL defenseman of big size taking on a teenager that's a smaller frame, would the dman not be allowed to be physical with the player that the boards due to the big weight differential?
Some players are gonna get hits that are more physical than others due to size. It's difficult to respond to each hit differently when this is the case. At most this should be a roughing. I don't think it's suspension worthy.
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Pushing guys to the ice is not against the rules. If you don’t want to be pushed to the ice so hard you’re gonna need to bulk up. I don’t really see a victim of any crime here. First time I saw the replay I thought the outrage was unwarranted.
Interesting people see the play so differently.
Initial hit is fine, but after the hit Pettersson is in a vulnerable position and Matheson effectively slew foots him.
Should have been a roughing minor for sure.
In context, it definitely seems like Matheson was embarrassed by the earlier play and was hunting for Pettersson as well. One game suspension I would guess, and I’m fine with that. He should have just made the initial hit and not taken it further.
Pettersson is going to need to bulk up some though, as teams are going to be playing him tough and he seems really small.
If Patterson was stronger, he wouldn't get finished like he did.
That's what happens when a smaller guy takes on a bigger guy that finishes their hit. If a player was an NHL defenseman of big size taking on a teenager that's a smaller frame, would the dman not be allowed to be physical with the player that the boards due to the big weight differential?
Some players are gonna get hits that are more physical than others due to size. It's difficult to respond to each hit differently when this is the case. At most this should be a roughing. I don't think it's suspension worthy.
And if Matheson didn’t approach the board battle with an intent to injure, Petterson wouldn’t get finished like he did.
It’s not about whether or not he can approach a board battle with a smaller player, it’s about approaching it to play the game.
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This seems much worse to me and I was certainly not thinking Bourque deserved to miss a few games afterwards. Although when you hear Pierre Maguire state that not everything in Kane's head seems to be connected it really does show how ignorant many were (including me) about the danger of concussions.
I guess I just see the Petterson hit differently than some here. Descriptions like "slammed his head into the ice" just don't fit what I am actually seeing in the play. Looks like a roughing penalty or a play that happens 10 times a game in the playoffs.
Honestly, I thought the Landeskog hit on Andersson was worse and I don't understand why the DoPS isn't looking at that one. If Petterson got hit by the Landeskog shot he would be worse off imo.
So, now that ice boxing is on its way out, people want ice wrestling?
Its pretty damned obvious he's trying to slam Peterson on the ice on his back, in a way that 99% guarantees his head hits the ice. Maybe he's not thinking that's what's going to happen, but it's still the most likely consequence.
How could Petersons head not hit the ice when thrown that way with such force? That play is a very likely concussion every time, and it's garbage. Points for being clever, but still garbage.
But the league won't even look at it, because hockey rules on physicality are written in a dumb way which makes it hard to crack down on when someone does something like this.
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Initial hit is fine, but after the hit Pettersson is in a vulnerable position and Matheson effectively slew foots him.
Should have been a roughing minor for sure.
In context, it definitely seems like Matheson was embarrassed by the earlier play and was hunting for Pettersson as well. One game suspension I would guess, and I’m fine with that. He should have just made the initial hit and not taken it further.
Pettersson is going to need to bulk up some though, as teams are going to be playing him tough and he seems really small.
It certainly is not a slew foot.
“Generally speaking, a slew-foot is when a player comes up behind or alongside an opponent and uses their foot to knock the legs out from under their opponent”
Matheson does not use his legs at all. He rubs Petterson out and Petterson falls sideways. The rubout is dangerous because Petterson is not very strong on his skates and has his feet fly out from under him which puts him in the vulnerable position.
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Just need to look at whether this was a hockey play or not. To me a hockey play in this situation is:
1) Puck is near you
2) Pin or check player to get them out of the play/impede players ability to complete a play
3) Puck is no longer near you or gone - hockey play is done.
The first hit/pin to the boards was a hockey play, the shove to the ice was not as the puck was long gone. Pettersson was pinned and likely was not expecting to be slammed to the ice.
Simply put, it was reckless and unnecessary.
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Just need to look at whether this was a hockey play or not. To me a hockey play in this situation is:
1) Puck is near you
2) Pin or check player to get them out of the play/impede players ability to complete a play
3) Puck is no longer near you or gone - hockey play is done.
The first hit/pin to the boards was a hockey play, the shove to the ice was not as the puck was long gone. Pettersson was pinned and likely was not expecting to be slammed to the ice.
Simply put, it was reckless and unnecessary.
That's a lot to account for when in real time, this literally happened in a second or two? When he first made contact with the player, he had an opportunity to finish the check by placing them on the ice. If there's not an issue with them making contact of the player, but a problem with them shoving them to the ice because the play is gone at the point, then you can't do more that bump a player since a split second later it may not be a hockey play to finish the check.
And I think looking at this at real time is important. It was quick what happened, and with that I don't believe there was any malicious intent. If Patterson got right back up and played the rest of the game, we wouldn't be discussing this at all.
Its pretty damned obvious he's trying to slam Peterson on the ice on his back, in a way that 99% guarantees his head hits the ice. Maybe he's not thinking that's what's going to happen, but it's still the most likely consequence.
How could Petersons head not hit the ice when thrown that way with such force? That play is a very likely concussion every time
This is how I look at it too. People get immediately up in arms for the head hits like Wilson's this pre-season, but that at least vaguely resembles a body check, which is a hockey play. It's a hockey play done wrong and carelessly without regard for the other player's health, but it resembles a hit. Picking a guy up and slamming him down on the ice when the puck is nowhere around and the play's headed the other way doesn't look anything like a body check. It looks like "I'm gonna hurt their star rookie".
I've always thought the degree of intentionality should be the main thing that gets you supplemental discipline, because if you were clearly trying to do what you did, and what you did is the sort of thing that would tend to result in an injury to the player you did it to, that tells us what type of player you are every bit as much as a history of suspensions does. Regardless of whether the player's actually hurt, if you did it on purpose, you're the sort of person who does those things on purpose, and you'll probably do it again. I would like the DOPS to stop those types of people before they can do it again, rather than after.
But this has never really been how they've handled it. I dunno, I'd have thought maybe 1-2 games, but it's a phone hearing and after Wilson got 20 when I thought he'd get 5-7, hard to say where this goes.
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Of course there was malicious intent. He didn't throw him to the ice by accident. There was no reason for the toss unless he meant to make him pay (ie. hurt him). You control trying to hurt the player, you don't necessarily control the 'hurt' that is inflicted.
The hit and pin, putting him off balance and letting him fall on his ass is a legal hockey play. Everything after is not. 2 minute penalty minimum, but I would say fine at maximum.
The excessive attempts to injure on routine plays, such as slamming, hitting high or targeting the head, jumping, elbowing, etc. need to stop. And no, this will not soften the game in any way. That is simply impossible given the entire structure and nature of the game. Collisions are going to happen at that speed, in that little space, with rigid physical boundaries surrounding the players. You can't make hitting illegal because there would be no standard way to police that at this level of hockey.
So kindly stop with those kinds of slippery slope arguments. They are weightless. We can still eliminate the stupid without sacrificing your mild bloodlusts.
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