[GT] Greasers @ Flames

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I mean, I'm not going to draw any conclusions from preseason games... but maybe it is finally approaching time for us to move on from Sigalet? He's got the reverse Midas touch.. Hiller... Johnson... Elliott... the more time spent with him the worse our goalies have tended to get.

Wish we still had David Marcoux

[mrdonkey]

I think the Flames just need to stop employing bad goalies.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

I think the Flames just need to stop employing bad goalies.

They're not necessarily bad before Sigalet gets his hands on them.

Just look at the SV% of Elliott and Johnson before they came here. Among the goalies available to be signed or traded for that off-season, their numbers were among the best. Weren't they .921 and .920 respectively? Then .880 and .910 under Sigalet.

[crapshoot]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Which goal does everyone expect Rittich to have actually stopped?

The 4 on 2 rush?
The breakaway?
The PP one timer that was deflected?
The other breakaway after a long stretch pass?
The low slot one timer?
The 2 on 1 tap in after everyone had given up?

Can't keep blaming the goalie when the defense keeps giving up these grade A chances.

I don't have a horse in this race really as it's just one preseason game as everyone keeps pointing out, and I don't Think Rittich is this bad at all, but the narrative above, dissecting each goal and making it out as impossible to save, is being used over and over and over again to defend goalies having terrible performances, and I believe that that the answer to your question is the following:

A good NHL goalie is expected to make not only routine saves, but also difficult shots. Sometimes even ridiculously difficult shots. In short, he could very well have stopped a few of them.

[soulchoice]

If we have Glass as the backup to start the year, this move would clearly be a sign of trouble. There are many other goalies who will be available and a better option than Glass to be a backup with the Flames after camp, should Rittich or Gillies fail. Waiver wire after camp.

Glass is not an NHL calibre goalie. Who cares if he's a local kid. That shouldn't make a difference at all. Let's hope one of the two Rittich or Gillies steps up.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by crapshoot

I don't have a horse in this race really as it's just one preseason game as everyone keeps pointing out, and I don't Think Rittich is this bad at all, but the narrative above, dissecting each goal and making it out as impossible to save, is being used over and over and over again to defend goalies having terrible performances, and I believe that that the answer to your question is the following:

A good NHL goalie is expected to make not only routine saves, but also difficult shots. Sometimes even ridiculously difficult shots. In short, he could very well have stopped a few of them.

It's a tough gig being an NHL goaltender. They get held to a higher standard than anyone else on the ice.

I mean you don't see any Flames fans nitpicking Dube's hattrick despite two of them being bad goals.

Lots of Oilers fans ready to run Koskinen out of town already though.

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Wish we still had David Marcoux

Marcoux was brutal during his tenure with Carolina, so he may not be much better than Sigalet.

[N-E-B]

Oh good. We’re firing Sigalet after one preseason game. Seems reasonable.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Oh good. We’re firing Sigalet after one preseason game. Seems reasonable.

To be fair it should have been 2 years ago

[Willi Plett]

Originally Posted by btimbit

To be fair it should have been 2 years ago

Correct. Maybe Treliving is waiting for a certain coach to become available? This problem is obvious, isn’t it?

[crapshoot]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

It's a tough gig being an NHL goaltender. They get held to a higher standard than anyone else on the ice.

I mean you don't see any Flames fans nitpicking Dube's hattrick despite two of them being bad goals.

Lots of Oilers fans ready to run Koskinen out of town already though.

Yeah, it's a tough gig for sure, but my point is that it's ridiculous to say that a bunch of goals were seemingly impossible for a goalie to save, therefore the goalie was doing alright. It happens several times every single game that an NHL goaltender stops a puck he had no business of stopping. That six shots looked too difficult to stop is really not an excuse for letting in six goals. There are a million factors leading to the goal looking impossible to stop, and a lot of those factors (angles, positioning, you name it) are actually controlled by the goalie, so, you know, just do better next time Rittich, or Koskinen for that matter.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Which goal does everyone expect Rittich to have actually stopped?

The 4 on 2 rush?
The breakaway?
The PP one timer that was deflected?
The other breakaway after a long stretch pass?
The low slot one timer?
The 2 on 1 tap in after everyone had given up?

Can't keep blaming the goalie when the defense keeps giving up these grade A chances.

I guess in the NHL the answer is "at least a couple". There are plenty of good chances that an NHL goalie will stop. Like Peters said to Lack "make a save"

[Madrox]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Wish we still had David Marcoux

https://cardiaccane.com/2017/03/14/c...e-their-fault/

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Oh good. We’re firing Sigalet after one preseason game. Seems reasonable.

Why do you clean house, yet the guy responsible for the team's bogeyman the past four years keeps his job?

Hiller, Ramo, Ortio, Elliott, Johnson. Now Gillies and Rittich. That's a list of goalies that have been brought in under Sigalet's watch.

It was time to switch it up when GG went. Give the Stockton guy the job until you can figure out a permanent solution.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by soulchoice

If we have Glass as the backup to start the year, this move would clearly be a sign of trouble. There are many other goalies who will be available and a better option than Glass to be a backup with the Flames after camp, should Rittich or Gillies fail. Waiver wire after camp.



Glass is not an NHL calibre goalie. Who cares if he's a local kid. That shouldn't make a difference at all. Let's hope one of the two Rittich or Gillies steps up.

Like who, that won’t have a significant acquisition cost? Steve Mason? Kari Lehtonen? I’d rather run with Gillies/Rittich.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Oh good. We’re firing Sigalet after one preseason game. Seems reasonable.

Didn't like his body of work last year (particularly Smith at home, Lack, and Gillies and Rittich when Smith went down).

Didn't like his body of work the year before (decline of Elliott from .930 to .910, decline of Johnson from .920 to .910).

Didn't like his body of work the year before that (decline of Hiller from .918 to .879).

Every goalie under his supervision seems to have developed a penchant for going down early, making themselves smaller, and letting in at least one soft goal every game (granted, these are the ones we remember more). And the numbers were even worse in the playoffs. At least to my untrained eye, goalies being coached by Sigalet have looked as bad as Cameron's PP, and yet Sigalet alone has survived two coaching purges.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Oh good. We’re firing Sigalet after one preseason game. Seems reasonable.

2nd or 3rd, depending on how you count them

(Also, people have been questioning our goalie development for a while now. It's not like Sigalet is new in Calgary.

That said, I'm done caring about the topic.)

[btimbit]

Which sucks because he is a great guy. But like I said about Bennett the proof is in his body of work and it simply isn't there

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

They're not necessarily bad before Sigalet gets his hands on them.

Just look at the SV% of Elliott and Johnson before they came here. Among the goalies available to be signed or traded for that off-season, their numbers were among the best. Weren't they .921 and .920 respectively? Then .880 and .910 under Sigalet.

I would ask you to go and watch those two goalies with their new teams now. They seem to be playing the exact same way and maybe worse under new teams and goalie coaches. Logic would dictate that they're just not very good, and it has little to do with the coaching.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Oh good. We’re firing Sigalet after one preseason game. Seems reasonable.

Originally Posted by btimbit

To be fair it should have been 2 years ago

I remain convinced that none of us has the first damn clue about what makes a good NHL goaltending coach. It is easily the most nebulous occupation in hockey.