Alberta Politics Thread v2

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Dion

Don't expect me to do your homework.

In 2012 Kenny votes to establish a committee on when life begins.

We should believe Notley is pro pipeline and we should believe that Kenny will not move to restrict abortion services. We should believe them becuase these positions are in their electoral interests.

The real debate in this election should be Carbon Pricing, and cuts vs balance budget. Outside of that the parties are virtually the same.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Howie_16

Rachel Notley has been the best Premier Alberta has had since Peter Lougheed. The UCP will still win the next election, but the overall popular vote will be closer than most people expect.

#NoGreenText

I've said this over and over again.

She probably could have been, but in the current tense she most certainly has not been. She strikes me as an intelligent and competent individual.

The problem is that she let herself be guided by her party's ideology instead of doing her job and fighting for this Province from the beginning.

The fact of the matter remains that she didnt start fighting for Alberta or Albertans, even against her own personal and party ethos, until it was way, way too late.

What shes doing now is the equivalent of the 'Glen Gulutzan Stick-Toss.'

Shes raging against the dying of the light after the light has already gone out.

We get that you're fighting and you're doing the best you can, its a shame you contributed to this nonsense until you realized that you were tying the anchor to your own feet while you're about to get pushed off the bridge.

Too little. Too late. Too bad.

But she'll wander off with her pension and her environmental ethos and do dinners and seminars and whatever else while the rest of us will wallow in the economic quagmire of debt that she created.

She wont be getting kudos from me for that.

[stampsx2]

What’s with all the elections Alberta ads everywhere? Social media, buildings. Is it normal to send registration memos out nine months in advance or are we going into an early election?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Howie_16

Rachel Notley has been the best Premier Alberta has had since Peter Lougheed. The UCP will still win the next election, but the overall popular vote will be closer than most people expect.

#NoGreenText

She improved in the second, half, but she's been pretty poor in terms of spending. She bailed on the wine boycott too soon, and sat on her hands a bit too much on the Pipeline file. She was let down by blundering fools like Ceci and the rest of her cabinet.


She's leaving us with a massive debt load, she looks like a fool on the carbon tax and social license side of things.


She threw a ton of uncertainty into the provinces key sector right off the hop.


Realistically all she had was a month of tough words.


Her party is going to get absolutely devastated in the next election. Yeah, I'd still take Klein even though Ralph went insane in the end. But its easy to say that she's better then Stelmach and Redford, they were as bad as it gets.

[Howie_16]

Originally Posted by Locke

I've said this over and over again.

She probably could have been, but in the current tense she most certainly has not been. She strikes me as an intelligent and competent individual.

The problem is that she let herself be guided by her party's ideology instead of doing her job and fighting for this Province from the beginning.

The fact of the matter remains that she didnt start fighting for Alberta or Albertans, even against her own personal and party ethos, until it was way, way too late.

What shes doing now is the equivalent of the 'Glen Gulutzan Stick-Toss.'

Shes raging against the dying of the light after the light has already gone out.

We get that you're fighting and you're doing the best you can, its a shame you contributed to this nonsense until you realized that you were tying the anchor to your own feet while you're about to get pushed off the bridge.

Too little. Too late. Too bad.

But she'll wander off with her pension and her environmental ethos and do dinners and seminars and whatever else while the rest of us will wallow in the economic quagmire of debt that she created.

She wont be getting kudos from me for that.

" while the rest of us will wallow in the economic quagmire of debt..."

I get that many are reluctant to give Premier Notley any sort of kudos, but the real standard that she should be judged on is how much better Alberta has handled the downturn in oil prices in comparison to Saskatchewan and Brad Wall, whose failed policies of austerity led to him resigning and moving to Calgary for work.

[Manhattanboy]

One of her first bills was to increase income taxes by 50% at the top marginal rate.

She wiped out whatever was left of the Alberta advantage.

I cannot wait to vote out the NDP.

[para transit fellow]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

One of her first bills was to increase income taxes by 50% at the top marginal rate.

She wiped out whatever was left of the Alberta advantage.

I cannot wait to vote out the NDP.

What exactly was this "Alberta advantage" ?

https://globalnews.ca/news/1903290/a...hat-to-expect/

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by para transit fellow

What exactly was this "Alberta advantage" ?

Until Notley and Trudeau took office a good part of it was a combined top marginal tax rate of 39% which attracted talent and investment to Alberta.

Much has been written about this and other policies that were wiped out by the NDP and Liberals. See numerous articles by Jack Mintz among others.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by para transit fellow

What exactly was this "Alberta advantage" ?

https://globalnews.ca/news/1903290/a...hat-to-expect/

It’s low tax rates enabled by using royalty revenue for basic government operating costs (and therefore not saving it). That’s it.

[DiracSpike]

That's one way to interpret I guess, only valid if you pretend that the Heritage fund never existed. It's also funny that you pretend any other kind of government cares remotely about saving money, certainly your boss doesn't.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

That's one way to interpret I guess, only valid if you pretend that the Heritage fund never existed. It's also funny that you pretend any other kind of government cares remotely about saving money, certainly your boss doesn't.

??? I work in the private sector. Have for several years now. In any event, municipal governments are legislatively obligated to budget to a balance. They cannot run deficits and they can’t budget for surpluses. The City has a system of fiscal reserves if it ends up spending less than budgeted or collecting more than budgeted.

What I’m saying is a tax structure (and sufficiently constainted spending) that saves oil and gas money and puts it in the Heritage Fund IS the right way to go. Unfortunately, it’s been decades since that’s been happening in any material way - all while we still talked about the “Alberta Advantage”.

We are absolutely hobbling our future fiscal viability -as it’s almost a mortal lock that our main commodities will be worth less in the future than they are today (and over the past 25 yrs).

[Dion]

Originally Posted by GGG

In 2012 Kenny votes to establish a committee on when life begins.

We should believe Notley is pro pipeline and we should believe that Kenny will not move to restrict abortion services. We should believe them because these positions are in their electoral interests.

The real debate in this election should be Carbon Pricing, and cuts vs balance budget. Outside of that the parties are virtually the same.

She didn't put up much of a fight and stink when Energy East was cancelled. It was in the provinces best interests to have that pipeline built. Yet she is doing the opposite for Kinder Morgan which has me puzzled and confused.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Howie_16

" while the rest of us will wallow in the economic quagmire of debt..."

I get that many are reluctant to give Premier Notley any sort of kudos, but the real standard that she should be judged on is how much better Alberta has handled the downturn in oil prices in comparison to Saskatchewan and Brad Wall, whose failed policies of austerity led to him resigning and moving to Calgary for work.

She may have done some good things but at the same time she made life more expensive for Albertans under her term as a Premier. Small business owners are struggling with the added taxes and the increases to minimum wages that was going on when these same businesses struggled during the recession. Good luck getting their votes.

Notley likes to harp on how Kenney is going to give tax breaks to the rich and yet her friends in the public sector enjoyed a 21.5% (79,000 jobs) increase in employment over a 4 year period . Meanwhile the private side is down 46,000 from 2014 levels. All according to the Fraser Institute.

[Howie_16]

Originally Posted by Dion

She may have done some good things but at the same time she made life more expensive for Albertans under her term as a Premier. Small business owners are struggling with the added taxes and the increases to minimum wages that was going on when these same businesses struggled during the recession. Good luck getting their votes.

Notley likes to harp on how Kenney is going to give tax breaks to the rich and yet her friends in the public sector enjoyed a 21.5% (79,000 jobs) increase in employment over a 4 year period . Meanwhile the private side is down 46,000 from 2014 levels. All according to the Fraser Institute.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Dion

She may have done some good things but at the same time she made life more expensive for Albertans under her term as a Premier. Small business owners are struggling with the added taxes and the increases to minimum wages that was going on when these same businesses struggled during the recession. Good luck getting their votes.

Notley likes to harp on how Kenney is going to give tax breaks to the rich and yet her friends in the public sector enjoyed a 21.5% (79,000 jobs) increase in employment over a 4 year period . Meanwhile the private side is down 46,000 from 2014 levels. All according to the Fraser Institute.

Pssst....


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...heck-1.4809946

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Pssst....

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...heck-1.4809946

Thank you for that. I'll give it a read

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Dion

She didn't put up much of a fight and stink when Energy East was cancelled. It was in the provinces best interests to have that pipeline built. Yet she is doing the opposite for Kinder Morgan which has me puzzled and confused.

IT was pulled by trans Canada. Not much Notley could do there.

[Vedder]

Originally Posted by Howie_16

" while the rest of us will wallow in the economic quagmire of debt..."

I get that many are reluctant to give Premier Notley any sort of kudos, but the real standard that she should be judged on is how much better Alberta has handled the downturn in oil prices in comparison to Saskatchewan and Brad Wall, whose failed policies of austerity led to him resigning and moving to Calgary for work.

How are we measuring this? Doesn't really jive with the GDP/employment data.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

She's leaving us with a massive debt load, she looks like a fool on the carbon tax and social license side of things.

The social license failure debate is an interesting topic. A number of people say it failed but the reality is that support for pipelines has increased since Notley has held office. While it may not have gotten the project completed as of yet, it’s hard to argue that it hasn’t had any effect. The whole point was getting more of the country to support Alberta’s oil industry, it’s hard to argue that wasn’t the case.

An article from 2016 where Canadian support for TMX was 41%:

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/national...posed-poll/amp

And another from 2018 where support had increased to 56%:
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/globalne...psos-poll/amp/

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

The social license failure debate is an interesting topic. A number of people say it failed but the reality is that support for pipelines has increased since Notley has held office. While it may not have gotten the project completed as of yet, it’s hard to argue that it hasn’t had any effect. The whole point was getting more of the country to support Alberta’s oil industry, it’s hard to argue that wasn’t the case.

An article from 2016 where Canadian support for TMX was 41%:

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/national...posed-poll/amp

And another from 2018 where support had increased to 56%:
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/globalne...psos-poll/amp/

That has to do with education not carbon tax. More people understand what it is, what it does and how stupid opposition to it is now than before.