Flames acquire Kerby Rychel from Montreal for Hunter Shinkaruk

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by bigtmac19

Oh brother! Not a fan of this at all, hopefully I’m proven wrong but have never been a fan from all the years I watched him in Windsor.

Cool, but were you a fan of Shinkaruk instead? I'm not super high on the guy either, but I think we got a decent return on an asset that wasn't long for this organization. Asset management and retention has to be part of every good GMs repertoire.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Both Vancouver trades were always about adding more team control for players that didn't seem to fit and were waiver eligible.

They took a gamble on Shinkaruk and it didn't pan .. now both he and Rychel are waiver risked to go down.

The other was the Baertschi trade that looks to be be working out just fine.

Yeah neither Granlund or Baertschi were long for this organization as neither were going to get the ice time they get in Vancouver and neither has ever been able to play more than 69 games in a season. I hold nothing against those players as the Flames did them a favour as Vancouver is probably the best place both of those players could have gone as they have had abysmal forward depth and one of the few teams where they could get a chance to play a regular shift.

[FireGilbert]

Meh for meh. The Flames get a guy who could fill in on the 4th line if there are injuries and the Habs get a guy they hope can crack their weak top 9 and breakout.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yeah neither Granlund or Baertschi were long for this organization as neither were going to get the ice time they get in Vancouver and neither has ever been able to play more than 69 games in a season. I hold nothing against those players as the Flames did them a favour as Vancouver is probably the best place both of those players could have gone as they have had abysmal forward depth and one of the few teams where they could get a chance to play a regular shift.

I feel like Granlund gets shortchanged a little, as I think he is a decent NHL player and so I question the notion that is sometimes put forward that he wasn't good enough to play at forward for the Flames. Last year Brouwer, Lazar, Shore, Stajan, Jagr, Stewart, Hathaway, Glass all played a number of games for the Flames at forward. I think Granlund could have played ahead of those guys. Granted the Granlund trade was made in 2016, but a look at the forwards at that time isn't much better (Colborne, Stajan, Jones, Jooris, Bouma, Raymond, Bollig)

Personally I think the trade was more about the Flames seeing something in Shinkaruk that wasn't there. And being locked into some bad decisions and bad contracts with the existing forwards.

The Baertschi trade is different. He simply wasn't developing here and Flames were willing to get whatever they could.

[FlamesFanTrev]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I feel like Granlund gets shortchanged a little, as I think he is a decent NHL player and so I question the notion that is sometimes put forward that he wasn't good enough to play at forward for the Flames. Last year Brouwer, Lazar, Shore, Stajan, Jagr, Stewart, Hathaway, Glass all played a number of games for the Flames at forward. I think Granlund could have played ahead of those guys. Granted the Granlund trade was made in 2016, but a look at the forwards at that time isn't much better (Colborne, Stajan, Jones, Jooris, Bouma, Raymond, Bollig)

Personally I think the trade was more about the Flames seeing something in Shinkaruk that wasn't there. And being locked into some bad decisions and bad contracts with the existing forwards.

The Baertschi trade is different. He simply wasn't developing here and Flames were willing to get whatever they could.

You'd be wrong.There was nothing indicating that he was good enough to be a regular NHLer. Besides 1 year in Vancouver, he hasent been much of anything but a replacement level player

Regular Season Playoffs
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM +/-
2013-14 Calgary Flames NHL 7 2 1 3 0
2014-15 Calgary Flames NHL 48 8 10 18 16
2014-15 Adirondack AHL 21 9 8 17
2015-16 Stockton Heat AHL 12 5 4 9 10
2015-16 Calgary Flames NHL 31 4 3 7 8
2015-16 Vancouver Canucks NHL 16 2 1 3
2016-17 Vancouver Canucks NHL 69 19 13 32
2017-18 Vancouver Canucks NHL 53 8 4 12

NHL Totals 224 43 32 75 52 3 0

Sorry for the terrible copy and paste, I cant get it to line up the same way in my post as it appears in the editor

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I feel like Granlund gets shortchanged a little, as I think he is a decent NHL player and so I question the notion that is sometimes put forward that he wasn't good enough to play at forward for the Flames. Last year Brouwer, Lazar, Shore, Stajan, Jagr, Stewart, Hathaway, Glass all played a number of games for the Flames at forward. I think Granlund could have played ahead of those guys. Granted the Granlund trade was made in 2016, but a look at the forwards at that time isn't much better (Colborne, Stajan, Jones, Jooris, Bouma, Raymond, Bollig)

Personally I think the trade was more about the Flames seeing something in Shinkaruk that wasn't there. And being locked into some bad decisions and bad contracts with the existing forwards.

The Baertschi trade is different. He simply wasn't developing here and Flames were willing to get whatever they could.

I never minded the player but with his waiver situation he wasn't good enough to give him a spot in ink, and with that he'd be at best going up and down a bit.

He's not big.

He doesn't win face offs.

His underlying stats are terrible. (career 46.5% CF%), even his relative numbers are negative playing on bad teams

His one big year was with the Sedins and a shooting percentage that was due to fall. It did.

Team control was a good enough reason to take the gamble, paying off or not.

Granlund is an NHL player, but his perch isn't all that much higher than Lazar.

[pepper24]

Both players are worse than Granlund.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by pepper24

Both players are worse than Granlund.

Would Granlund make the Flames this year?

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Would Granlund make the Flames this year?

12 points n 53 games. It is likely that he would be a whipping boy.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Would Granlund make the Flames this year?

More-importantly, would he have made the Flames in 2016?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Would Granlund make the Flames this year?

Not a chance.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Would Granlund make the Flames this year?

Nope. Not a chance.

[PepsiFree]

I like Granlund, but he’s putting up meh numbers on a terrible team.

The Flames’s history is full of guys who put up ok numbers on our lousy team, and as we improved, suddenly found themselves out of the NHL.

If Granlund were contributing to a contender, I’d miss him. That’s where we want to be, and until he shows he could've been a part of that, I don’t.

[Bingo]

Personally I don't think any of Granlund, Shinkaruk or Rychel will make the Flames this year, but the trade gave the Flames two more years of look see on a first round pick. If he pans you kill it. If he doesn't you move on from an asset you acquired for an asset you likely had to move on from.

That's all this trade was.

Baertschi was almost the same thing. More talent, but his "fit" had him unlikely to make the Flames that fall or even sign a deal to try.

[topfiverecords]

Flames definitely won the Granlund trade just based on the “There’s two Granlunds??” Benning gif alone. Could have gotten nothing in return and still would have been worth it for the entertainment value.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by getbak

More-importantly, would he have made the Flames in 2016?

I would say likely. The Flames signed Versteeg after so many prospects failed to impress during camp (Shinkaruk included)

He likely makes last years roster as well but would be cut loose this year.

[devo22]

Canucks got the better player in the deal, but the Flames won too. If they hadn't traded Granlund, they'd have lost him at waivers at some point like Byron - he simply would have been a victim of the numbers game. Flames at least turned him into a prospect and now another one.

[djsFlames]

I think Rychel will be a player. Hathaway and Lazar isn't stiff competition for that 4th line spot. Unless of course one of Mangiapane, Foo or Dube is ready and swoops in. But it doesn't usually seem to happen unless the prospect was highly touted and well seasoned like Jankowski.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by devo22

Canucks got the better player in the deal, but the Flames won too. If they hadn't traded Granlund, they'd have lost him at waivers at some point like Byron - he simply would have been a victim of the numbers game. Flames at least turned him into a prospect and now another one.

This. Granlund did not fit the team's mold for a 4th liner at that time and was going to be put on waivers and likely claimed, so they essentially got a former 1st rounder (and now have a younger one picked even higher) for nothing, as they would have lost Granlund whether they traded him or not. Baertschi forced the Flames' hand by demanding a trade, recognizing that the Flames had no spot for him in the top 9, and having no interest in taking on a 4th line role.

In the end, it's all about making the most you can of your assets, realizing that sometimes trading "down" is better than getting nothing for an asset when they are claimed on waivers or walk away.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I think Rychel will be a player. Hathaway and Lazar isn't stiff competition for that 4th line spot. Unless of course one of Mangiapane, Foo or Dube is ready and swoops in. But it doesn't usually seem to happen unless the prospect was highly touted and well seasoned like Jankowski.

I think a lot of people will be surprised when Dube makes the team this year. I think he could have made the team last year but the extra year of development was the right move and did wonders for building experience - world juniors gold, playoffs.