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Old 08-20-2018, 02:02 PM   #61
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I like this trade, small as it is.

Rychel - 154 points in 232 AHL games = NHLe of 25.5
Shinkaruk - 149 points in 251 AHL games = NHLe of 22.8

This aligns pretty well with Rychel's NHL production, which is 28 points/82 games. He seems like a good 4th liner. These could be the lines come game 1.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Backlund - Neal
Bennett - Ryan - Frolik
Rychel - Jankowski - Czarnik
Hathaway - Lazar
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Old 08-20-2018, 02:05 PM   #62
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Old 08-20-2018, 02:05 PM   #63
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Rychel is better suited for a bottom 6 role than Shinkaruk and brings an element of grit and physicality that Hunter didn't.

More likely Rychel plays games for the Flames this season than Shinkaruk.
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Cool, now how bout day Hanifin contract?
Hopefully this is a sign that it's close to complete so Treliving had some extra time to get this trade done.
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Old 08-20-2018, 02:13 PM   #65
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Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Backlund - Neal
Bennett - Ryan - Frolik
Rychel - Jankowski - Czarnik
Hathaway - Lazar
I like it. Good blend of speed, size and skill throughout the lineup, and Hathaway and Lazar being extras isn't a bad thing either.
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Old 08-20-2018, 02:14 PM   #66
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Mangiapane - Dube - Foo

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Old 08-20-2018, 02:15 PM   #67
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Rychel seems like a guy that has actually produced in a 4th line role at the NHL level though...14 points in 41 NHL games isn’t terrible.

More versatile than Shinkaruk IMO too.

Seems weird for Montreal though...Rychel was great for their AHL team after they traded for him and had 2 points in 4 games at the NHL level for them.

For a team lacking forward depth in Montreal it seems like a weird move for them.
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Old 08-20-2018, 02:17 PM   #68
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If the Flames somehow acquired 7 1sts prior to that draft and that summer we got to talk about Lindholm, Lazar, Rychel, and Shinkaruk on top of Monahan, Poirier, and Klimchuk we would be over the moon excited.

There was significant hype around the 4 year players we have acquired since that draft.

People would be penciling in future lineups of

Shinkaruk-Monahan-Rychel
Poirier-Lindholm-Lazar

As we sit here today Monahan is by far the best player of that group and followed by Lindholm. Other than that maybe Klimchuk has a shot to make it t the NHL. Lazar appears to be on the verge of falling out of the league. Poirier is a free agent and Shinkaruk/Rychel have been with multiple organizations (3 Shinkaruk, 4 for Rychel) and neither has yet to crack a roster for more than a cup of coffee.
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Still pretty crazy to have 7 of them all on the roster.
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Old 08-20-2018, 02:19 PM   #69
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Good trade for the Flames.

Like others have said, a better fit on the bottom six. A bit of truculence like the old man.
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Old 08-20-2018, 02:20 PM   #70
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I like this trade, small as it is.

Rychel - 154 points in 232 AHL games = NHLe of 25.5
Shinkaruk - 149 points in 251 AHL games = NHLe of 22.8

This aligns pretty well with Rychel's NHL production, which is 28 points/82 games. He seems like a good 4th liner. These could be the lines come game 1.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Backlund - Neal
Bennett - Ryan - Frolik
Rychel - Jankowski - Czarnik
Hathaway - Lazar
I would switch Bennett and Rychel...

Bennett - Jankowski - Czarnik (2nd scoring line)
Rychel - Ryan - Frolik (2nd 2-way line)

Doesn't matter though - there are so many ways to draft up the lines this year, it's just insane. Basically, you can put 4 LWs in a bin, 4 Cs in a bin, and the 4 RWs in a third bin and just draw the lines randomly, and it would probably be fine.
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Old 08-20-2018, 02:26 PM   #71
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Seems like a good trade for us, better opportunity for both players but I feel Rychel has a better chance of panning out.
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Old 08-20-2018, 02:28 PM   #72
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Granlund - 2011 45th pick
Shinkaruk - 2013 24th pick
Rychel - 2013 19th pick

this is like when that guy started with a paper clip and kept trading it until it turned into a house. in a couple of seasons we are going to end up with McDavid or MacKinnon from the Granlund pick.
Except Granlund is at this stage the best of the lot.
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I like this trade and think he has some untapped potential.
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Old 08-20-2018, 02:42 PM   #74
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I would switch Bennett and Rychel...

Bennett - Jankowski - Czarnik (2nd scoring line)
Rychel - Ryan - Frolik (2nd 2-way line)

Doesn't matter though - there are so many ways to draft up the lines this year, it's just insane. Basically, you can put 4 LWs in a bin, 4 Cs in a bin, and the 4 RWs in a third bin and just draw the lines randomly, and it would probably be fine.
To me, Jankowski is one of the most interesting players this year. He had 25 points in 72 games as a 23 year old. Generally, my understanding is forwards are mostly done developing at 23 years old. So, with most forwards, I would feel pretty confident Jankowski should be slotted in as the 4th centre behind Ryan.

However, Jankowski was also a rookie last year and has been a slow developer. So I think you might be right to slot him in as the 3rd centre. If he is going to turn into anything beyond a bottom 6 centre, we will probably know this coming season because Jankowski will be 24 years old. Therefore, it is important to give him a good chance.
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Rychel is better suited for a bottom 6 role than Shinkaruk and brings an element of grit and physicality that Hunter didn't.

More likely Rychel plays games for the Flames this season than Shinkaruk.
I see it as a bit of an insurance policy in case guys like Mangiapane/Foo/Dube don't show well at camp and need more time to develop in the minors. Not a guy you worry about losing on waivers but also not a guy who will hurt you in a 4th line role.

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Except Granlund is at this stage the best of the lot.
Only by virtue of getting a bunch of time on a terrible Canucks team. He's in the same boat as Shinkaruk, not skilled enough for a decent team's top 9, and way too soft to be a 4th liner. I don't miss him at all and expect he will be out of the league quickly once that team starts to improve.

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Old 08-20-2018, 02:53 PM   #76
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Hard to understand why Montreal did this. Shinkaruk doesn't have top 6 potential. They simply traded for a worse player.
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Old 08-20-2018, 02:56 PM   #77
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I remember the 2013 draft being hyped as the next big 2003 draft with so many can't miss prospects in round 1. But you're right. If Jay Feaster would have told us ''worry not Flames fans, 5 years from now when the team comes out of the rebuild you'll have 7 of the 2013 1st rounders on the roster!". I would have cried tears of joy at the time.

Still pretty crazy to have 7 of them all on the roster.
2013 had all the hype, but 2014 is sneakily proving to be very deep in that first round. Just look at the sheer amount of names in there that have turned out to be NHL regulars later in the round.
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Old 08-20-2018, 02:58 PM   #78
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That TSN Draft Video had his comparable to Gary Roberts. Wouldn't that be something.... One can only dream.
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Old 08-20-2018, 02:59 PM   #79
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To me, Jankowski is one of the most interesting players this year. He had 25 points in 72 games as a 23 year old. Generally, my understanding is forwards are mostly done developing at 23 years old. So, with most forwards, I would feel pretty confident Jankowski should be slotted in as the 4th centre behind Ryan.

However, Jankowski was also a rookie last year and has been a slow developer. So I think you might be right to slot him in as the 3rd centre. If he is going to turn into anything beyond a bottom 6 centre, we will probably know this coming season because Jankowski will be 24 years old. Therefore, it is important to give him a good chance.
I wasn't ranking them 3rd and 4th lines, as I don't think it's that cut and dried. I just had to list them in some order.
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1 yr, 2 way, $650k at the NHL level.

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