[Trade] Elias Lindholm + Noah Hanifin to Flames for D. Hamilton, Micheal Ferland, & Adam Fox

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by soreshins

What is this physical presence Ferland supposedly offered us. It was very rarely seen.

What kind of nonsense post is this?

Nobody on this team came close to the amount of hits Ferland had this season.

Why are we lying to ourselves here?

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Lindholm might not even know he's traded yet.

He was negotiating his contract yesterday. He knows.

[Flash Walken]

I'm happy for Giordano right now.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

So for me this trade works as follows:

I like the players we got in Hanifin and Lindholm.

I don't mind trading Dougie or Ferland.

I really don't like having to include Fox to get the deal done.

So overall I still am a "Meh" on the trade but mostly because I hate when you have deals that you give up the best player and the best prospect...that should never happen.

I think Valimaki os a better prospect than Fox.

[R2theJ]

Originally Posted by Red

What is Hamilto so great at?

He has a great shot. What else?

Hanifin doesn't need to score 20G to be better. He needs to defend better and kf Hamilton is the benchmark then he is probably close if not there already.

Hamilton's offence will likely be replaced with Valimaki in the fold... Hanifin and Valimaki more than make up for Dougie, and add significantly better transition and D. Hamilton was a tire fire outside of taking point shots and the occasional rush. He got burnt repeatedly when he pinced in the neutral zone, and was way too soft in his own zone.

[CsInMyBlood]

Wow, Ferland, Fox and Hamilton are suddenly not great yet Lindholm and Hanafin are these wonder kids?

This is simply a bad trade. So disappointed in Treliving.

I keep seeing Lindholm advertised as this great two way player. Really? He's a career -70 in 374 games. Ferland is -10 in 250 career games. Not to mention the fact that Lindholm is wanting 5M+?! a year? Also losing A LOT of grit and physical presence here. Ferland was 36th in the NHL with 171 hits last season. Ranked 22nd among forwards. Ranked 7th among RWers. Not to mention how tough he is. Remember the playoffs? Yeah, thats where we want to be. Ferlands value sky rockets if you get into the post season. Ugh.

People screaming that Dougie can't play defense, how about Hanifin? Guy seems brutal in his own zone despite being TOTALLY sheltered. Started 63.1% offensive zone starts and put up 32 points and a -20 on the season. I mean I get hes young, but it wasnt like Hamilton is some old declining guy.

Then the matter of Fox. Now everyone is acting like he was going to be a flight risk for sure? So why didn't you trade him for something better rather than throwing him into this trade? He was a valuable chip if he really wouldn't sign.

Now I'm not going to give up on this team and ill give the new guys a chance but it would be nice to actually win a trade when we are giving up such value.

We really better hope Peters can make a huge difference to this team because this trade obviously has a lot to do with him.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Lindholm might not even know he's traded yet.

Peters says he already talked to Lindholm

[Hey Connor, It's Mess]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I'm happy for Giordano right now.

Who does he get to drag around next?

[Phil Russell]

I like the trade, which I see as improving the team now and having the potential to be a franchise changing trade down the line. Time will tell, but it's a good gamble.

We received players with better all around games now, who could be great players down the line. Top six is better with Lindholm in the mix than Ferland IMO and I don't see Hanifin as a significant downgrade on aything other than goals from D. That's a loss, for sure, but he probably improves the top 4 D defensively. We get younger, and correct me if I am wrong, but there are positive cap implications as well. Possibly, we may also have improved the character of the team.

And we did this by dealing an asset we have in abundance--a D prospect, and one that had a signing questionmark surrounding him. Again, time will tell if this deal was a good one, but this deal makes all kinds of sense to me and I am optimistic.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Toonage

He was negotiating his contract yesterday. He knows.

Was a joke

[Monahammer]

I would like to see Bennett at centre one last time with this:

Tkachuk-Bennett-Lindholm

If he can't do it then we know for sure he's a winger. No one can claim the talent wasn't given to him

We still need another winger, maybe through FA. Jvr would work. Alternately if we could do something like brodie+frolik+prospect (kylington, dube?) For kassel I say let's do it.

[tkflames]

I think my initial frustration with this deal was the expectation yesterday that Hamilton alone would get it done.

I like the new lineup especially if they add a Neal type to replace Ferland next week.

[sureLoss]

Hanifin on 960

[RyZ]

A bunch of people seriously over rating Ferland and under rating Lindholm in here. Lindholm is a significant upgrade in all 3 zones and younger as well.

And Hanifin is every bit as good at 20/21 as Dougie was at the same age. He has legit top pairing potential if he's not already there.

Fox could sting a bit, but if he wasnt going to sign here, Im fine with him sealing this deal rather taking 2 x 2nd round 22% magic beans for him next off season.

[sureLoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1010604756849471488

[Beninho]

After having time to think about this I like it.

I hate losing Fox as I was very high on him but he wasn’t gonna sign, not with Valimaki, Kylington, Andersson ahead on the depth chart. Also shows he didn’t want to battle to prove his worth, bye bye.

Hamilton is great offensively, no denying this, but I was never a fan of his lazy penalties and soft play in his own zone. Gio is a tank and has an engine that only few other defenders have in the league. Every time hamilton was away from him he was a mess, he’s not a above average defender. If Hanifin can come in and get close to Hamilton’s offence at some point while being better in his own zone I will be very pleased. I also think Hamilton wasn’t that great at skating with the puck through the neautral zone.

Ferland is what he is and I think we all know what that is. He’s a streaky player who can play with other skilled players but he is just not a first liner but he is only effective on the first line. His physicality also never got close to that Vancouver series, defensively he was a mess as well.

Excited to have Lindholm and Hanifin in the fold, I hope they both have wonderful careers in Calgary and I hope every Flames fan gives them support.

Also those worried about RW depth, flames will still have cash to go and get a RW in free agency, especially with the cap rising.

If things were bad with Hamilton I would not of wanted to risk him going to free agency in 3 years. His give a #### meter is obviously low and after reading his brother he probably bolts to whatever team offered him the most money.

Go Flames

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by 868904

Do people think that Flames management would not ask or speak to Giordano about his defense partners?

There is something very telling about this move and Peters saying they are moving Brodie back with Giordano.

Add in Franklin's comment about "retrieving pucks" and there's some evidence there that management and Giordano, see things the same way, Brodie is a better player and partner for Giordano than Hamilton.

I don't even need to be in that room or speak to Giordano, I can see with my own eyes that Hamilton hurt Giordano. Giordano was constantly covering up his mistakes and doing the heavy lifting defensively. Giordano's offense also got hurt because of it.

Brodie isn't a offensive defensemen, he is a defensive defensemen first who can contribute offensively, which makes him a great partner for Giordano who can be an elite point producer. Brodie gets himself into trouble when he has to do the heavy lifting offensively on a pairing, which is what he had to do with Hamonic. Brodie's elite skating is more useful in defending because he doesn't necessarily have the hands or vision to be an offensive defenseman.

I agree they probably talked to Gio. But I don't think calling Brodie a defensive defenceman is correct at all. If you think he did the defensive work when playing with Gio, that's just flat out wrong. He did fine because Gio is one of the best all around defencemen in the game.

I think the conversation with Gio was "if we trade Dougie can you play with Brodie?" "Sure, we can make it work again".

One thing is for sure though, if you pair Gio/Brodie and Hamonic/Hanifin, I'm not very worried about the Flames in their own zone.

IMO this puts a lot of pressure on Kulak and Stone, with Andersson and Valimaki knocking at the door.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Was a joke

I suck.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

It's funny how fans keep saying Fox wasn't going to sign so it was ok to throw him in, how about max the value of the asset by asking Carolina to add a conditional pick if he signs with him. Treliving again bends over to get a deal done, and fans are applauding him for swinging for the fences. Treliving swung for the fences (again) and if these players don't live up to "potential", it will set the franchise back again.

And where was the franchise heading without "swinging for the fence"?

[killer_carlson]

Giordano and Hamilton were the #1 d pairing in terms of possession last year.

But Giordano and Hamilton haven’t just spent a lot of time with one another, they’ve excelled together. For a second straight year they’ve posted the league’s top possession rate as a pairing, and have actually boosted it a couple points from last year’s 56.6%. Without heavily tailored offensive minutes, all these two guys have done is drive play this seaso

https://flamesnation.ca/2018/03/30/g...bove-the-rest/