[Trade] Sens trade Hoffman+ to SJS for Boedker+. Sharks flip Hoffman to Florida for picks

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Re: is Calgary a destination. I would think that fan scrutiny on social media is a huge deterrent. I know that I wouldn't move to a Canadian market for fear of being harassed by fans after a bad game. Just reading the comments on any Matt Stajan related material is all the evidence you need of how spiteful Canadian fans can be.

As a communications/media person, I do not understand why more teams are not advising or requiring their players to stay off of social media. Full stop.

Unless you're retired, or have a character account like Luongo, I don't see any benefit whatsoever. If it is being used as a team communication tool, find another tool to use.

Tweets, replies, article comments, message boards, etc. are inevitably going to wind up as a form of poison in the life of someone so public.

You can't control what is said, but you can control what you consume.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Split98

If that's the kind of hockey lifestyle he's into, I'm triple-glad he isn't a Flame.

FLA isn't pegged to win the cup anytime soon.

The idea that players go to sun belt teams to escape the pressures of a demanding environment or avoid the expectations of competing for a cup is an archaic idea. L.A., Anaheim, San Jose, Tampa Bay, Nashville have all had very strong teams in recent years and the expectations for those franchises is to win a Stanley Cup, nothing less.

Florida has been building a strong team that had the 2nd highest winning percentage in the 2nd half last year, finished with 96 points, and just missed out on the playoffs. If that described the Flames and they had picked up Hoffman, the entire board would be talking about winning the division next year. The Panthers added a strong piece to the roster without losing anything except futures. So long as Hoffman's personal affairs do not become a distraction, this should make the Panthers a solid playoff team with the chance to win a few rounds.

With parity in the league, it's foolish to say that ANY team isn't likely to win the cup any time soon.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Split98

Honest question, but do players really not want to live in Calgary?

Climate matters. Like anyone, players like to wake up to a breakfast on a sunny patio, go to work in shorts, and golf or swim on their days off. They also have family who like those things.

Travel matters. Not only in mileage, but how often you need to deal with border customs and security. Calgary has one of the worst travel situations of any NHL city.

Family matters. If a player is American or has an American spouse, the idea of moving to Canada to raise a family is not appealing. Many hockey wives starting families these days want their own moms to live with them or nearby. That's much harder to manage if you're an American wife and you move to Calgary.

Being rich matters. The communities in American cities where NHL players live cater to the rich in a way Canadian cities don't. Excellent restaurants, clubs, shopping, schools, all contained in bubbles for the affluent. In America, the losers lose worse than in Canada, but the winners win bigger.

Media scrutiny matters. A lot of players hate it. One reason I think Drew Doughty stays in L.A. (or at least California) is because he's commented that he hated the attention the team got after winning the cup. A lot of athletes like to go out and party, or just raise their families, without any public scrutiny. Much easier to do in San Jose or St. Louis than in Calgary or Toronto.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Split98

But I wonder if the difference makers like Tavares see things differently and look at what the team would be around him. I don't think it's too unappealing to think of what his line-mates would look like, and there's a good group of D back there. It's not too much of a stretch to think that Tavares would be a huge step towards contending.

Calgary was a non-playoff team. If Taveras is looking at the team itself he is joining, Calgary isn't the frontrunner in this regard. Not close to it.

Sure Taveras makes them better, but he'd make any team better.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

With parity in the league, it's foolish to say that ANY team isn't likely to win the cup any time soon.

I think you can also say that with parity in the league, it's foolish to say that any particular team is likely to win the Cup anytime soon.

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

With parity in the league, it's foolish to say that ANY team isn't likely to win the cup any time soon.

Well except for Edmonton.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

The idea that players go to sun belt teams to escape the pressures of a demanding environment or avoid the expectations of competing for a cup is an archaic idea. L.A., Anaheim, San Jose, Tampa Bay, Nashville have all had very strong teams in recent years and the expectations for those franchises is to win a Stanley Cup, nothing less.

Florida has been building a strong team that had the 2nd highest winning percentage in the 2nd half last year, finished with 96 points, and just missed out on the playoffs. If that described the Flames and they had picked up Hoffman, the entire board would be talking about winning the division next year. The Panthers added a strong piece to the roster without losing anything except futures. So long as Hoffman's personal affairs do not become a distraction, this should make the Panthers a solid playoff team with the chance to win a few rounds.

With parity in the league, it's foolish to say that ANY team isn't likely to win the cup any time soon.

AHEM.

The Edmonton Oilers.

Nuff said.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

The idea that players go to sun belt teams to escape the pressures of a demanding environment or avoid the expectations of competing for a cup is an archaic idea. L.A., Anaheim, San Jose, Tampa Bay, Nashville have all had very strong teams in recent years and the expectations for those franchises is to win a Stanley Cup, nothing less.

It's a matter of degree. The players in those cities might have a mic stuck in their face by the two local hockey reporters when things go wrong. In Calgary or Toronto it's 6 or 12 or 15 reporters jamming a mic in their faces. All the time, win or lose.

Then there's public recognition. Players in Tampa Bay can still go a nightclub or to a restaurant without being noticed and having their picture taken. Not so in Calgary or Toronto.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

It's a matter of degree. The players in those cities might have a mic stuck in their face by the two local hockey reporters when things go wrong. In Calgary or Toronto it's 6 or 12 or 15 reporters jamming a mic in their faces. All the time, win or lose.

Then there's public recognition. Players in Tampa Bay can still go a nightclub or to a restaurant without being noticed and having their picture taken. Not so in Calgary or Toronto.

I agree, but internally, the expectations are still as high as anywhere, especially if you have the talent to be competitive. Less media and fan harassment, but honestly, that stuff only happens in a handful of cities in the NHL, so most cities would afford you some level of anonymity.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Yamer

As a communications/media person, I do not understand why more teams are not advising or requiring their players to stay off of social media. Full stop.

Unless you're retired, or have a character account like Luongo, I don't see any benefit whatsoever. If it is being used as a team communication tool, find another tool to use.

Tweets, replies, article comments, message boards, etc. are inevitably going to wind up as a form of poison in the life of someone so public.

You can't control what is said, but you can control what you consume.

This is a good point and I am sure that players do get this kind of advice. That being said, I think that the negative social media impacts the family most directly. Its the children and wives who read that stuff and get upset, this in turn upsets the player. Its a pretty toxic relationship between some fans and the players.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Yamer

As a communications/media person, I do not understand why more teams are not advising or requiring their players to stay off of social media. Full stop.

Unless you're retired, or have a character account like Luongo, I don't see any benefit whatsoever. If it is being used as a team communication tool, find another tool to use.

Tweets, replies, article comments, message boards, etc. are inevitably going to wind up as a form of poison in the life of someone so public.

You can't control what is said, but you can control what you consume.

Wouldn't you be upset if your employer told you that you couldn't have a twitter account?

[topfiverecords]

Time for Treliving to call Tallon and ask him to survey his players and find out who wants out now.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

Well except for Edmonton.

Originally Posted by Lanny'sDaMan

AHEM.

The Edmonton Oilers.

Nuff said.

Come on you guys. That should be assumed without me saying it. E=NG.

[Geeoff]

Trading Hoffman and acquiring a player instead of picks makes me think the Senators are going to try to be competitive and keep Karlsson.

[Mister Yamoto]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

Well except for Edmonton.

Arizona, Florida, Quebec

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by bax

Wouldn't you be upset if your employer told you that you couldn't have a twitter account?

Not really. All I use Twitter for is news. I have made 8 tweets since I signed up in 2010. All re-tweets for Bell Let's Talk day.

I would never think to have my public work be associated with an official personal account of mine. That's inviting trouble.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Come on you guys. That should be assumed without me saying it. E=NG.

YOU said it man. Of course we have to point out the flaw inherent in that statement. First off, this *IS* the internet, secondly It NEVER goes without saying. E=NG.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Trading Hoffman and acquiring a player instead of picks makes me think the Senators are going to try to be competitive and keep Karlsson.

Ottawa still has a pretty good top line.

Ryan Dzingel - Matt Duchene - Mark Stone

Their problem is depth. its a pretty steep dive in terms of scoring after that. Adding boedker does not replace Hoffmans scoring. Are they blow it up bad? its hard to say.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Ottawa's statement itself made that clear as day.



Reading between the lines only slightly, that pretty much translates to "we traded down in talent because he was a cancer and was messing up the team."

I think this is a bit rough.



Hoffman has been in the league for seven years now and I've never heard of any issues before. And this isn't even about him, it's about his girlfriend.


And if he was of so low character and a "cancer" in the locker room, why didn't Ottawa deal him away years ago when his value was high? Or heck, even at the trade deadline this year.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

The idea that players go to sun belt teams to escape the pressures of a demanding environment or avoid the expectations of competing for a cup is an archaic idea. L.A., Anaheim, San Jose, Tampa Bay, Nashville have all had very strong teams in recent years and the expectations for those franchises is to win a Stanley Cup, nothing less.

Florida has been building a strong team that had the 2nd highest winning percentage in the 2nd half last year, finished with 96 points, and just missed out on the playoffs. If that described the Flames and they had picked up Hoffman, the entire board would be talking about winning the division next year. The Panthers added a strong piece to the roster without losing anything except futures. So long as Hoffman's personal affairs do not become a distraction, this should make the Panthers a solid playoff team with the chance to win a few rounds.

With parity in the league, it's foolish to say that ANY team isn't likely to win the cup any time soon.

I think warmer cities have some appeal. I don't know about Tavares, but for a lot of UFAs, IMO aside from salary, it's about a nice (but not glamourous) lifestyle, especially for players with families. So San Jose, Arizona, the Florida teams, and now LV (where there are some very nice suburbian areas) have appeal.