Melinda Karlsson alleges Hoffman's fiancée is behind campaign of harassment

[Split98]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Mark Spector = ChaoticOrange.

Ken King = Split98


CRAP!!!!!!

[rotten42]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I thought my hyperbolic comment about pill popping was self explanatory, quite frankly.

Yup...it was.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Split98

Ken King = Split98


CRAP!!!!!!

There's a jersey thread that requires your attention.

[Split98]

My applegize, I am trying

[afc wimbledon]

Popping pills doesn't have any relationship to a still birth in case anyone was stupid enough to think that the tragedy proved the allegation, by the way

[MBates]

Coming late to the thread, I have a few general comments.

1. There is room to discuss things which are not yet known without having to engage in wild speculation or make declaratory statements suggesting "if x then it MUST be y" applies in a one-size-fits-all type manner.

2. Sworn allegations are interesting, but that does not on its own make them more valid. Neither do the tweets of other wives necessarily, but they amount to named individuals asserting publicly that they have first-hand knowledge of such conduct - it would be extremely careless to publish such statements without being able to back them up with evidence. This tends to give them more significance to an outsider trying to assess what has occurred.

3. The suggestion that any good lawyer will always tell their client to not cooperate with the police is just wrong. As another poster pointed out shortly thereafter, sometimes clients really did not do anything in relation to the specific allegations and by cooperating can have themselves ruled out from further investigation (and thereby can even avoid being found out for other unrelated things they may wish to keep private). It is generally very unwise to cooperate with police without the guidance of an experienced criminal lawyer, but there are plenty of situations where cooperation is in the client's best interests and can be done quite safely.

4. That Forbes piece is very sloppy - for example referring to the application as being for a restraining order while posting a copy of an application for a Criminal Code s. 810 peace bond. Also, moving interchangeably between tenses as though it doesn't make a difference to say "So for now, these are merely allegations. Still, to get the peace bond, Karlsson's lawyers needed persuasive evidence." when there clearly has not yet been any peace bond issued.

5. While not itself a criminal offence, an 810 peace bond information compels a justice to require the parties to appear in court and if satisfied the applicant has reasonable grounds for the fear she swears she has, then the defendant may be ordered to enter into a recognizance to keep the peace and be of good behaviour for up to 12 months (other conditions such as no contact, abstain from alcohol etc. can be added). If the defendant refuses, she can be put in jail for up to 12 months for refusing.

The arrest warrant and bail procedures of the Criminal Code apply (so if for example the defendant does not appear they can be arrested) and if the defendant breaches the peace bond that is a criminal offence which can be punishable by up to 4 years in prison.

I am quick to point out, none of this tells us anything about the credibility or reliability of the allegations, but I think it puts some perspective on the seriousness of the situation.

[Darth Tkachuk]

Stay the hell away from Hoffman GMBT. Not worth the potential of bringing this kind of drama/cancer into the locker room. How could anyone lay into someone that just lost a child, absolutely disgusting.

[Locke]

Damn I love when MBates weighs in on stuff like this.

[sun]

Originally Posted by Locke

Damn I love when MBates weighs in on stuff like this.

Agreed.

The M stands for Master.

[kobasew19]

Originally Posted by sun

Agreed.

The M stands for Master.

Talk about being a multitasker.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by kobasew19

Talk about being a multitasker.

Helluva lot of one handed typing.

[Huntingwhale]

Interesting take by Friedman this morning on the Fan. Just paraphrasing what he said, but basically that he spoke to a GM of a team. That GM told him that if he was to even consider bringing in Hoffman at a discounted trade price, he would have to speak with the leadership group of the team and ask them to go over with their significant others if this is something the rest of the team and other significant others could handle. I think it's safe to say that Hoffman's fiance is going to be completely blacklisted around the league.

Having said that I'm sure some GM out there will pay a price to get Hoffman. It's not like he's some 4th line plug who will just disappear and the league won't miss him. He's a legit top line forward who can help a team upfront almost immediately. The price to acquire him will be less then what it was a couple weeks ago. I do think a lot of where he ends up depends on his status with his fiance and if he chooses to continue their relationship.

I never thought I'd see the day where an NHL player's career is dependant on whether he chooses to stay with the person he is in a relationship with. It's literally the age old dilemma of choosing love or choosing money.

As horrible as this whole situation is and I feel for the Karlssons, this has been fascinating to watch from the comforts of my computer chair.

[Scroopy Noopers]

It makes sense that you approach the leadership in the room. You don’t want to bring in Hoffman and then have one of your top players wives pull a Mrs. Pronger to another city.

[Toonage]

Hence the problem with having such quality people playing for the Flames. Of course they'll say yes, they could handle it. They're good people who believe in other people. They'd be willing to give anyone a chance. At least that's the impression I get. We need more jerks on the team.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Hence the problem with having such quality people playing for the Flames. Of course they'll say yes, they could handle it. They're good people who believe in other people. They'd be willing to give anyone a chance. At least that's the impression I get. We need more jerks on the team.

I could deal with a jerk in the locker room easily. But coming home to a pissed off wife constantly is a no go, that’s the weird part about this situation.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I could deal with a jerk in the locker room easily. But coming home to a pissed off wife constantly is a no go, that’s the weird part about this situation.

I mean the wives too. I think they'd be on board. When the Flames seek out quality people they seem to take the big picture into account. Good people, good families. Thats what sort of worries me. I think the players would speak to their significant others about it and they'd say they would be fine with it.

I could be wrong, maybe the team has its fair share of malcontents, but to me the leadership group seems kind hearted enough to welcome them in.

[afc wimbledon]

If she stays back in Ottawa when he moves problem solved

[mennoknight]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

If she stays back in Ottawa when he moves problem solved

I have a futon in the basement she can live on.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by mennoknight

I have a futon in the basement she can live on.

Lock your door at night and sleep with one eye open. Seriously...

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Lock your door at night and sleep with one eye open. Seriously...

Gripping your pillow tight.