2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[sureLoss]

Petan is waiver eligible starting in the 18/19 season.

If the Jets don't trade him, good chance he ends up on waivers anyways. Also helps limit his trade value.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Derek Ryan is 31, and will be 32 this December.

No.

We don't have anyone as good as Skinner to play him with, and we don't need to invest in bottom 6 veteran forwards who are already nearing or crossing over that line into their descent.

...it's totally going to happen, and then everyone will be screaming at Mangiapane for not producing offensively while lining up next to Ryan and Brouwer.

Agree 100%. I think it is a lock Derek Ryan is a Flame and will challenge Brouwer for whipping boy status.

[Vinny01]

I saw an article on the top buyout candidates in the west and for the Gawks it is Brandon Saad. I could see him fitting in nicely with Backlund. Would the Hawks entertain Frolik+prospect for Saad? If the prospect was Fox would the Hawks send back a 2nd or 3rd round pick? Maybe something around Brodie and Saad+?

I am also see Kulikov on that list. If the Flames trade Brodie I would be okay with them looking at Kulikov+Petan at a discount (not for Brodie butnin a separate deal to replace Brodie)

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I saw an article on the top buyout candidates in the west and for the Gawks it is Brandon Saad. I could see him fitting in nicely with Backlund. Would the Hawks entertain Frolik+prospect for Saad? If the prospect was Fox would the Hawks send back a 2nd or 3rd round pick? Maybe something around Brodie and Saad+?

I am also see Kulikov on that list. If the Flames trade Brodie I would be okay with them looking at Kulikov+Petan at a discount (not for Brodie butnin a separate deal to replace Brodie)

Brandon Saad? If this is the case, the Flames should absolutely try to get him regardless of him being a LH LW.

He plays against very difficult competition and is probably the 2nd best player on the Hawks in terms of driving possession behind Jonathan Toews.

He scored fewer points last year but he also had an uncharacteristically low shooting percentage. In the four seasons prior, he had never played less than 78 games and never had a shooting percentage less than 11.3%. Last year he shot 7.6%.

This would be a classic case of buy low.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I saw an article on the top buyout candidates in the west and for the Gawks it is Brandon Saad. I could see him fitting in nicely with Backlund. Would the Hawks entertain Frolik+prospect for Saad? If the prospect was Fox would the Hawks send back a 2nd or 3rd round pick? Maybe something around Brodie and Saad+?

I am also see Kulikov on that list. If the Flames trade Brodie I would be okay with them looking at Kulikov+Petan at a discount (not for Brodie butnin a separate deal to replace Brodie)

If the Hawks are set to buy out Saad, why would you trade for him versus signing him cheaper as a UFA? At best you treat him like a pending RFA that will be heard to re-sign, or pay a small amount for his neg rights prior to the deadline.

[kehatch]

Derek Ryan would be fine at the right cap and term. He gives us a bit more depth down the middle, adds a RH shot, and he gives us more options.

Our bottom 9 killed us last season. It is where Treliving will (and should) spend most of his effort this off season. Adding Ryan allows you to go forward with Gaudreau/Monahan, Backlund/Frolik, and Ryan/Tkachuk as your top 9 pairs. Plus, because Ryan is a low cap/term depth signing, he can get out of the way if Jankowski takes the spot.

If we are talking more then 2x2 I pass. But he makes us better if at a decent contract.

I honestly think any reasonable pick up is going to disappoint most here. Barring an unexpected pick up of Tavares, anything we do is going to have flaws and be easy to be negative about.

[Roof-Daddy]

I wonder if we could do something like Frolik and Kulak for Kulikov, Perreault and Petan.

Basically a cap move for the Jets. From their side they are familiar with Frolik, and he's somewhat a wash with Perrault, but he only has two years left where as Perrault has 3 years left. They get a much cheaper bottom pairing D with upside in Kulak for Kulikov, and because of that they add Petan.

Flames on the other hand get a good young skilled forward in Petan who is blocked in Winnipeg, and with Kulikov get a pretty solid Dman who has played top 4 before, which would allow them to potentially move Brodie for a legit top 6 forward without severely weakening our top 4 D group.

[Erick Estrada]

Isn't Petan kind of a redundant player with Mangiapane on the cusp of possibly making the team in the next season or two?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Isn't Petan kind of a redundant player with Mangiapane on the cusp of possibly making the team in the next season or two?

Just more mud to throw at the wall. Better to have Mangiapane and Petan battling for a forward spot than Mangiapane and Tanner Glass battling for that spot IMO.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

If the Hawks are set to buy out Saad, why would you trade for him versus signing him cheaper as a UFA? At best you treat him like a pending RFA that will be heard to re-sign, or pay a small amount for his neg rights prior to the deadline.

The article suggested that would be the player they buyout. I don’t see any chance that happens but they may look to get out of that contract?

He only had 35pts last year but has been a 50pt player in the past and scored 30 as well. $6M per for another 3 years but he is in the age range of the core. If the Flames are trading Brodie for forward help I prefer this to a Simmonds, Pacioretty type player that is 30+ and in need of a new contract in a year.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I wonder if we could do something like Frolik and Kulak for Kulikov, Perreault and Petan.

Basically a cap move for the Jets. From their side they are familiar with Frolik, and he's somewhat a wash with Perrault, but he only has two years left where as Perrault has 3 years left. They get a much cheaper bottom pairing D with upside in Kulak for Kulikov, and because of that they add Petan.

Flames on the other hand get a good young skilled forward in Petan who is blocked in Winnipeg, and with Kulikov get a pretty solid Dman who has played top 4 before, which would allow them to potentially move Brodie for a legit top 6 forward without severely weakening our top 4 D group.

Not a bad trade but the Flames take on over $4M in the deal. I would want the Jets to include a pick or two for that as I am not sure Petan is worth it.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I saw an article on the top buyout candidates in the west and for the Gawks it is Brandon Saad. I could see him fitting in nicely with Backlund. Would the Hawks entertain Frolik+prospect for Saad? If the prospect was Fox would the Hawks send back a 2nd or 3rd round pick? Maybe something around Brodie and Saad+?

There is zero chance the Hawks buyout Saad. Whomever wrote the article has zero credibility. He could easily be moved for draft picks.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

There is zero chance the Hawks buyout Saad. Whomever wrote the article has zero credibility. He could easily be moved for draft picks.

I agree no shot he is literally bought out but I disagree he could go for picks. I think any team trading for a $6M winger coming off 35pts is looking to move money back in the trade.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yeah this is a tough one. I hated the contract initially but two years into it he's still playing at a high level and I feel he has maybe two more years of being able to play top pairing which takes him to close to the end of the deal. I also think that Treliving has amassed a lot of organizational depth at the position and if you have faith in some of these young players it may be a move you can make but I think it has to be a deal you can't refuse and not a matter of shopping the player. At the end of the day I don't see Gio getting moved based on his value as captain and leader on the team. If a veteran defensemen is going to get moved it's probably going to be Brodie.

The bolded part especially. For a team that folded so badly (how much it's on coaching vs players is up for discussion) at the end of the season these qualities are needed even more. Also there is the mentorship side which he can provide for the younger defensemen that are going to make the jump soon (like Gio has provided for Brodie and Hamilton).

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

but instead the smartest guys in the room got us Poirier and Klimchuk. They did bring in Petan for an interview so believe he was next on their list. Thing is, can you have Johnny and another midget in the top 6?

Did the Lightning make a mistake by drafting Point when they already had Johnson?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Did the Lightning make a mistake by drafting Point when they already had Johnson?

They used a 3rd rounder on Point not a 1st which would be what the Flames would of had to do to draft Petan. Flames had no problems drafting Philips or Mangipane when they had Gaudreau.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Derek Ryan is 31, and will be 32 this December.

No.

We don't have anyone as good as Skinner to play him with, and we don't need to invest in bottom 6 veteran forwards who are already nearing or crossing over that line into their descent.

...it's totally going to happen, and then everyone will be screaming at Mangiapane for not producing offensively while lining up next to Ryan and Brouwer.

Ryan is likely to decline given his age, but he is not the same as Brouwer. His possession numbers are actually strong.

We could do a lot worse.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

They used a 3rd rounder on Point not a 1st which would be what the Flames would of had to do to draft Petan. Flames had no problems drafting Philips or Mangipane when they had Gaudreau.

Hindsight being what it is, would have been OK with Flames drafting Petan over Poirier for sure, having an undersized NHLer is preferred to having a career AHLer.

Hope Poirier turns it around and Klimchuk makes it but can see the reason why we passed on Petan. Western Conference is a tough conference and seeing how a player like Ehlers was shut down in the playoffs lends credence to picking skilled players with some degree of size vs those undersized skilled players.

[Roof-Daddy]

One thing about Ryan, is despite being 31, he doesn't have a lot of miles on. I don't know if that helps or what, but most veteran 31 year old NHLers have 800+ NHL games or 1000+ professional games under their belts.

I'd have no problem if the Flames sign him as a Stajan replacement on a 2 or 3 year deal around $1.5 to $2.0 million. As Ashasx said, he's got good underlying numbers and is really good at face offs, plus he can provide offense and seems to compliment higher caliber players well too.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Hindsight being what it is, would have been OK with Flames drafting Petan over Poirier for sure, having an undersized NHLer is preferred to having a career AHLer.

Hope Poirier turns it around and Klimchuk makes it but can see the reason why we passed on Petan. Western Conference is a tough conference and seeing how a player like Ehlers was shut down in the playoffs lends credence to picking skilled players with some degree of size vs those undersized skilled players.

The tough thing though with Poirier is he was well on his way to being an NHLer and then had substance abuse issues. I don't know if our scouts could have predicted that. He was tearing the AHL a new one at 19/20 years old and was big enough and a good enough skater that those things weren't going to hold him back. Too bad really, for him and the Flames. If he would have steered clear of addictive substances he may already be a top 6 NHL forward, and the team would have come out of that 2013 1st round smelling like a rose.