2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm good with Bennett being an issue, he hasn't become the upper roster player to this point that many us had assumed when he was picked

He's not a bust.

Here is a re-draft, Bennett is 8th. He's not a bust
Re-Draft

Weird re-draft though.

Didnt go through the whole thing but this guy has Bennett going before Arvidsson with the benefit of hindsight?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Peters is about pairs so you can logically assume Gaudreau - Monahan but then it's really up in the air.

Tkachuk is firmly in pair two and I'd assume he's with Backlund.

Then I guess you have Bennett and Jankowski as the starting point, and where the weakness lies.

I think the Flames need a new forward to make one of Bennett or Jankowski a plug in player and not a primary two. With that I think the likes of Ferland, Bennett/Jankowski, Frolik, Foo, Mangiapane are more than enough options to round out the duos.

The issue is the trickle down needed to get one of the third line guys to plug players and away from primary. I don't think it has to be an elite right wing, but it had better be a primary top nine.

For the Flames to really improve up front, they need Backlund and Frolik to be pair three, and they need to bring in someone to be on pair two with Tkachuk.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm good with Bennett being an issue, he hasn't become the upper roster player to this point that many us had assumed when he was picked

He's not a bust.

Here is a re-draft, Bennett is 8th. He's not a bust
Re-Draft

Bennett is an absolute bust for a 4th overall pick. And no he would not go 8th overall in a re draft, not even close.

Ekblad
Draisaitl
Ehlers
Reinhart
Larkin
Arvidsson
Pastrnak
Nylander
Point

Then you have bunch of guys who are trending upwards not downwards in:

Schmaltz
Dvorak
Fabbri
Fiala
Labanc
Kase
Montour
Kempe
Vrana
Donato
Tuch
Heinen
Kapanen
et etc

His only hope is the new coach figuring something out in his game, otherwise at best he's an average 3rd liner.

[nik-]

That re-draft is a year old though. He's got another disappointing season under his belt.

At minimum, Tuch, and Fiala are likely picked ahead of him now too. At minimum.

Maybe not a "bust" yet. But a whiff at #4? Absolutely.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Bennett is an absolute bust for a 4th overall pick. And no he would not go 8th overall in a re draft, not even close.

Ekblad
Draisaitl
Ehlers
Reinhart
Larkin
Arvidsson
Pastrnak
Nylander
Point

Then you have bunch of guys who are trending upwards not downwards in:

Schmaltz
Dvorak
Fabbri
Fiala
Labanc
Kase
Montour
Kempe
Vrana
Donato
Tuch
Heinen
Kapanen
et etc

His only hope is the new coach figuring something out in his game, otherwise at best he's an average 3rd liner.

First off not my re-draft ... I just like using an independent source to make a point over my own biases.

Debate all you want.

I said disappointment, but bust is a terrible term, and one that doesn't even fit the last line of your post.

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Weird re-draft though.

Didnt go through the whole thing but this guy has Bennett going before Arvidsson with the benefit of hindsight?

This redraft article was almost a year ago. Sam would not be at the 8th spot if it was to be redone this year. Arvidsson, Point, Fiala and Fabbri would probably be ahead of Sam at this point. As well it’s no assumption to think Sam has not been caught up to by Leblanc in San Jose or Schmaltz in Chicago. Not to mention Montour and Kapanen.

I hope He breaks out this year. I don’t think he is a bust yet, but a couple more seasons like last year and it won’t be long before he is a bust for his draft position.

[Roof-Daddy]

Yeah, I don't think Bennett is a bust, he's a massive disappointment to this point so far though, based on where he was drafted and the expectations that went with it.

That redraft is certainly dated though. Point, Arvidsson, Montour and Schmaltz all move ahead of Bennett from that list IMO, and that's just with a quick look.

There will be a few more that will blow by him next year too, if he doesn't take a step forward.

[Bingo]

I think they need to work on Bennett's confidence more than anything. If Peters commits to the first quarter of the season to boost the kid I think he turns the corner and never looks back.

They have to quit shuffling him around the roster on a whim. Give him someone to work with and let to be successful.

[GioforPM]

They didn't shuffle him around much last season. He played with Jankowski almost the whole time until the last few games when Monahan got shelved, and the couple games he played on RW in pace of Ferland. Now, he had a few RWs on that third line, it's true, but really, he had lots of time to gel with Janowski.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think they need to work on Bennett's confidence more than anything. If Peters commits to the first quarter of the season to boost the kid I think he turns the corner and never looks back.

They have to quit shuffling him around the roster on a whim. Give him someone to work with and let to be successful.

Tkachuk-Janko-Bennett

Just stick with that all season.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

They have to quit shuffling him around the roster on a whim. Give him someone to work with and let to be successful.

He's the one guy that's never really had a constant line mate.

[Hackey]

Bennett is a huge disappointment but looking at the re-draft that draft wasn't the greatest on a whole. The guys that have worked out no one would have picked ahead of him. I'm skeptical Bennett is ever going to fully figure it out to satisfy the 4th overall ranking but as long as he can become a solid top 9 player and preferably top 6 that will still help this team moving forward. It really is a shame that him and Tkachuk aren't making up a dominant second line right now. Tkachuk/Pastrnak or Tkachuk/Draisatil is exactly what the team needs.

[Torch]

Bennett in Ferlands position on the first line scores 30.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Some teams assume their youth is ready and clear space. Other teams like Calgary build out teams and make the youth steal jobs. Stone doesn't have negative value so signing him for three years and making someone steal his job is solid business in my mind.

The problem is it’s really hard to trade a $3.5M contract during training camp or early in the season when teams are still sorting out. So if Andersson does push Stone out it will be half a year or more depending on injuries. At some point it’s ok to take a chance on making space for a prospect.

[GioforPM]

Here's his line combos from last year. It looks scattered, but there's a lot of Jankowski time.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think they need to work on Bennett's confidence more than anything. If Peters commits to the first quarter of the season to boost the kid I think he turns the corner and never looks back.

They have to quit shuffling him around the roster on a whim. Give him someone to work with and let to be successful.

I disagree. I've been saying it for years. Bennett isn't failing to live to expectations because of a lack of skill, confidence or hard work. He is failing to become that player because of his brain. He is a low IQ player, and that can't be fixed.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by Torch

Bennett in Ferlands position on the first line scores 30.

I highly doubt it. Every time he has been given a chance on the top lines he mite have 1 good game out of 3/4. He also has a horrible shot it isn't close to Ferlands shot.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by edslunch

The problem is it’s really hard to trade a $3.5M contract during training camp or early in the season when teams are still sorting out. So if Andersson does push Stone out it will be half a year or more depending on injuries. At some point it’s ok to take a chance on making space for a prospect.

Yep. It’s great to have competition and all but guys with contracts don’t get moved in training camp. Flames could be better at understanding what they have.

[sa226]

Maybe the best thing to happen to Bennett will be everybody writing him off.

Even last summer, coaches and management were talking him up as having "a great summer." I think the pressure has been on this kid from day one. He doesn't do a great job of taking the pressure off of himself either.

Maybe coming into a year where he's the subject of trade rumors and everyone writing him off as the future of the franchise will be exactly what he needs.

[ricardodw]

Bennett has the 6th most NHL games of all the player taken in the 2014 draft.

This is a clear cut failure of the Flames organization.

They let Jankowski play a full year to learn the pro game after 4 full years playing in bigger more mature league for 4 years.



How in the world did Bennett not get some AHL time where he could make mistakes and learn how to play centre without the world watching his mistakes?

His best run as a Flames was in what should have been his pre-ELC year where he came off of 24 pts on 11 games with Kingston.

What I consider the best plan for the Flames is to keep Bennett. Sit down and tell him they want and expect him to be the #1C and tell him no matter what he will be playing his first 40 games of 2018-19 in Stockton at centre.