2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Bunk

The only way I'd trade Andersson is if you think signing Fox next summer is a mortal lock. If so, I'd consider it.

2019-2020

Gio-Hamilton
Valimaki-Hamonic
Kylington-Fox

Brodie, Stone and Kulak traded.

Brodie, Stone, Andersson and Kulak traded? That would quickly turn our defense from a strength to a weakness. What happens if anybody gets injured?

I would think 1 dman moves this summer. Maybe 1 next summer. Any more than that and our depth is questionable when injuries hit.

[Drunk Uncle]

Can someone who has watched both players tell me why Kapanen is better than Mangiapane? Similar age. Similar AHL production.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Drunk Uncle

Can someone who has watched both players tell me why Kapanen is better than Mangiapane? Similar age. Similar AHL production.

Kapanen played well in the playoffs. He made an impact on the PK for the Leafs in that series. I'd take him over Mangipane

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Kapanen played well in the playoffs. He made an impact on the PK for the Leafs in that series. I'd take him over Mangipane

Mangiapane's rookie season was very impressive, I'd argue that he just needs the opportunity at the NHL level in the same way Kapanen got the opportunity.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Drunk Uncle

Can someone who has watched both players tell me why Kapanen is better than Mangiapane? Similar age. Similar AHL production.

Haven’t seen a ton of either but Kapanen is bigger and faster. That counts for something.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

I know this is beating a dead horse...

But the funniest thing I heard last night from Friedman was how Winnipeg lottery protected the first they traded for Stastny ... always CYA

Since the Jets were a lock to make the playoffs, the value to the Blues to allow the protection was minimal.

Many seem to forget that there is a value associated with protection/non protection. It's not an after thought.

[Geeoff]

I understand that Brodie made some mistakes this season that immediately resulted in a goal against but I still think he's a better player than Andersson at this point. I don't hate the idea of trading Andersson for a similar offensive prospect.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Toronto fans are at the height of their arrogance right now, so they actually don't know much of anything outside of their little bubble.

Toronto finished the season with 105 pts. The Flames 84 pts.

They had such a good team that Flames wash out Curtis McElhinney was 11-5-1 with a .934 sv % and a 2.14 GA.

Did a 34 year old McElhinney finally work it out OR was the team in front of him that much better than the Flames for instance.

Of course their arrogance and valuation of their players is going to be high.

The median CP poster is also arrogant. Somehow the Flames have one of the best team defenses in the league AND are over loaded with top-4 defense prospects who will be NHL ready next season.

The Leafs camp has a much better chance of getting an acceptable trade as the Leafs are dealing from a position of strength.

The Flames will be moving players.( management has identified that the roster is not good enough) ..and the return is going to be extremely disappointing as the roster is not good enough.

I am definitely not a Leaf fan but they played the game with speed and skill and won a lot of games.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Mangiapane's rookie season was very impressive, I'd argue that he just needs the opportunity at the NHL level in the same way Kapanen got the opportunity.

Kapanen didn't play with the top lines and still found a way to make an impact in his role and on the PK. In the playoffs too

Mangipane had a great AHL season and I think he could be good but he looked lost when in the NHL. I know he didn't get much of a chance but Kapanen at worst could be a quality energy player and PK guy even if his scoring doesn't translate to the NHL

[yourbestfriend]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I'm not into trading Andersson for a RW'er 1 for 1.

There's a premium on defencemen, especially offensively inclined ones. If we're looking at moving Andersson for the likes of Kapanen or Sprong, I think the Flames should be getting back a sweetener, like a 2nd round pick to Sprong or a 1st round pick to Kapanen. Sprong had a very impressive AHL rookie season, at a less important position. Kapanen however just completed his 3rd AHL season though and was not as impressive at that level than Sprong or Andersson - but his 9 points in 38 games at the NHL level is nothing to put your nose up at.

Centres > Defencemen >>> Wingers

I'd probably keep Andersson. Trade Fox. He isn't a guarantee to sign here, and with our glut of D prospects, something's gotta give. Plus, by trading Fox, we pass the potential UFA problem to another team.
I would prefer Sprong, however Kapanen would be a good fit too.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Toronto finished the season with 105 pts. The Flames 84 pts.

They had such a good team that Flames wash out Curtis McElhinney was 11-5-1 with a .934 sv % and a 2.14 GA.

Did a 34 year old McElhinney finally work it out OR was the team in front of him that much better than the Flames for instance.

Of course their arrogance and valuation of their players is going to be high.

The median CP poster is also arrogant. Somehow the Flames have one of the best team defenses in the league AND are over loaded with top-4 defense prospects who will be NHL ready next season.

The Leafs camp has a much better chance of getting an acceptable trade as the Leafs are dealing from a position of strength.

The Flames will be moving players.( management has identified that the roster is not good enough) ..and the return is going to be extremely disappointing as the roster is not good enough.

I am definitely not a Leaf fan but they played the game with speed and skill and won a lot of games.

On the other hand, the Flames core has made it to the second round of the playoffs and the Leafs have not

[868904]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Kapanen played well in the playoffs. He made an impact on the PK for the Leafs in that series. I'd take him over Mangipane

I don't think Kapanen projects as a top 6 forward. He is a Frolik type player. You don't trade a potential first pairing guy like Anderson for a Frolik type player.

Defense is a premium position over a winger. I think a lot of Flames fans are getting too worked up about getting a winger that they forget that it is the least important position. If you have good centremen, you will have good wingers; the problem for the Flames is Bennett and Jankowski aren't there yet and it's not clear if they will get there.

As for Mangiapane, if he continues his development trend, he will be a top 6 scorer which is more valuable than a middle sixer like Kapanen is projected to be. Fingers crossed that Mangiapane continues to develop. Of course, Kapanen has more value now mostly due to pedigree I think, but I think Mangiapane's upside is higher.

While Kapanen has put up points in the AHL for the Marlies, I would be cautious of that. Every prospect of the Marlies puts up points. Might have something to do with the way the team plays.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Call me crazy if you want but I'd rather move Fox. But if it took Andersson to get Kapanen, I think I'd be alright with that. I'm a big Kapanen fan.

You may be crazy, but I agree, I'd rather move Fox. He much more a question mark to me than Andersson.

[FlamesFanTrev]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Kapanen didn't play with the top lines and still found a way to make an impact in his role and on the PK. In the playoffs too

Mangipane had a great AHL season and I think he could be good but he looked lost when in the NHL. I know he didn't get much of a chance but Kapanen at worst could be a quality energy player and PK guy even if his scoring doesn't translate to the NHL

I actually thought that Mangipane looked good in his first two games up, and then not so much when he was playing on the 4th line with Brouwer (or maybe they moved Brouwer up? Cant Recall). I definitely think that its going to be hard for Mangipane to force his way onto the team getting 4th line minutes to start. If he dosen't pencil himself into the top 2 lines after training camp, I think hes probably going to get sent down for another year in the A. I think Foo is RW guy that has a chance to grab a 3-4th line role after training camp, and could have some impact in the bottom end of the roster.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

On the other hand, the Flames core has made it to the second round of the playoffs and the Leafs have not

Good way of looking at it.

The Flames core that made it to the 2nd round:

Gaudreau
Monahan
Backlund
Brodie
Ferland
Bennett
Wotherspoon

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by FlamesFanTrev

I actually thought that Mangipane looked good in his first two games up, and then not so much when he was playing on the 4th line with Brouwer (or maybe they moved Brouwer up? Cant Recall). I definitely think that its going to be hard for Mangipane to force his way onto the team getting 4th line minutes to start. If he dosen't pencil himself into the top 2 lines after training camp, I think hes probably going to get sent down for another year in the A. I think Foo is RW guy that has a chance to grab a 3-4th line role after training camp, and could have some impact in the bottom end of the roster.

I think this is the problem that faces the Flames - they need to completely re-shape how they deploy their bottom two lines.

You can no longer ice completely terrible hockey players in your line-up, regardless of contract status. There's no place for Brouwer on this team. There's no place for slower, ineffective 5v5 players on NHL rosters.

Bennett - Jankowski - ?
Mangiapane - ? - Lazar
Shore

Your bottom 2 lines need to have talent, speed, and work ethic. It's no longer about working your way up the line-up so that you can get into a position to score, it's about producing from the 3rd and 4th lines.

[iloveicedhockey]

Kent Wilson put an interesting chart up on twitter the other day suggesting the flames should pencil mangiapane in to the roster for next year. Comparables for ppg/age were strome, sprong, Petan etc. I think he worked out that since 2005, eatbread just had the eleventh most productive season by anyone under 21 out 22 in the AHL.

Also, leafs Twitter update: don't need Andersson because liljegren is definitively better and his AHL comparables are pulock, montour and deangelo (I thought that was the point). Andersson, a first and a second might get Reilly though.

[FlamesFanTrev]

I also don't really get all the Kapanen talk right now. I admittedly dont know much about the player, but if Brad T is planning on making essentially prospect trades in order to fix the RW depth on the first line or throughout the roster, I have a feeling we are going to be discussing the need for a 1st line RW again next April.

[FlamesFanTrev]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I think this is the problem that faces the Flames - they need to completely re-shape how they deploy their bottom two lines.

You can no longer ice completely terrible hockey players in your line-up, regardless of contract status. There's no place for Brouwer on this team. There's no place for slower, ineffective 5v5 players on NHL rosters.

Bennett - Jankowski - ?
Mangiapane - ? - Lazar
Shore

Your bottom 2 lines need to have talent, speed, and work ethic. It's no longer about working your way up the line-up so that you can get into a position to score, it's about producing from the 3rd and 4th lines.

Oh absolutely. I just don't think that Mangipane's skill set is right for a 4th line. Its not that I disagree with needing scoring from the bottom end, I just think that in that role, he will end up not contributing to his potential, and will end up being sent down for seasoning.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by FlamesFanTrev

I actually thought that Mangipane looked good in his first two games up, and then not so much when he was playing on the 4th line with Brouwer (or maybe they moved Brouwer up? Cant Recall). I definitely think that its going to be hard for Mangipane to force his way onto the team getting 4th line minutes to start. If he dosen't pencil himself into the top 2 lines after training camp, I think hes probably going to get sent down for another year in the A. I think Foo is RW guy that has a chance to grab a 3-4th line role after training camp, and could have some impact in the bottom end of the roster.

I still have hopes for Mangiapane too. I think he could make the team next year depending on the moves Treliving makes

But all these moves depends on what else is going on. Kapanen for Anderson is a good idea IMO if Treliving doesn't move any of last years top 6 dmen. He trades Stone for a pick, I'd keep Anderson then

Also lots have suggested trading or buying out guys like Brouwer, Bennett, Frolik, Ferland. If some of these guys move out and guys like Staal, O'Reilly, or Tavares actually did end up here maybe both Kapanen and Mangiapane would be needed.

Kapanen showed elite level skating in the playoffs. Cheap acquisition and the type of guy I would love to add even if it's not the #1 priority of adding a top 6 RW.