2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Mattman

Hear me out.

Is there any way we could upgrade our goalie on the fly by helping out another team out of our conference?

Like I'm talking generic

Flames trade to Buffalo:
- Smith
- Gilles/Rittich/Parsons (Pick one)
-2018 3rd pick

Sabres then trade to New York:
-Gilles, Rittich, or Parsons
-Lehner
-2018 3rd pick (Cgy or Buf)

Rangers trade to Calgary:
Lundquivst

My thinking behind this is if Buffalo wants to be a competitive team next year, and the Rangers are committing to a fill rebuild Lunquivst wants to chase a cup maybe.


Flames
In: Lundquivst
Out: Gilles, Rittich or Parsons, 3rd(2018 74 overall pick)+ M. Smith

Buffalo
In: M. Smith, 3rd(2018 74 overall pick)
Out: Gilles, Rittich, or Parsons, 3rd( 2018 63 overall pick)+ Lehner

NYR
In: Gilles, Rittich, or Parsons, 3rd( 2018 63 overall pick)+ Lehner
Out: Lundquivst

Flames trade the most get the best.
Sabres trade to upgrade Lehner to Smith.
Rangers trade for the future.

Edit: Not really a trade rumour just a discussion point and idea

Id be more interested and intrigued by Schneider out of nj or what the caps do with their duo considering their Russian goalie prospect is coming to NA this year.

[savemedrzaius]

Originally Posted by Mattman

Hear me out.

Is there any way we could upgrade our goalie on the fly by helping out another team out of our conference?

Like I'm talking generic

Flames trade to Buffalo:
- Smith
- Gilles/Rittich/Parsons (Pick one)
-2018 3rd pick

Sabres then trade to New York:
-Gilles, Rittich, or Parsons
-Lehner
-2018 3rd pick (Cgy or Buf)

Rangers trade to Calgary:
Lundquivst

My thinking behind this is if Buffalo wants to be a competitive team next year, and the Rangers are committing to a fill rebuild Lunquivst wants to chase a cup maybe.


Flames
In: Lundquivst
Out: Gilles, Rittich or Parsons, 3rd(2018 74 overall pick)+ M. Smith

Buffalo
In: M. Smith, 3rd(2018 74 overall pick)
Out: Gilles, Rittich, or Parsons, 3rd( 2018 63 overall pick)+ Lehner

NYR
In: Gilles, Rittich, or Parsons, 3rd( 2018 63 overall pick)+ Lehner
Out: Lundquivst

Flames trade the most get the best.
Sabres trade to upgrade Lehner to Smith.
Rangers trade for the future.

Edit: Not really a trade rumour just a discussion point and idea

Sabres are trading the RFA rights to Lehner and moving down 11 spots in Round 3 for one year of Mike Smith? Why?

Rangers are trading a goalie who is still very solid and when on his game is in the upper-tier of goalies in the league for a goalie prospect, a 3rd round pick and the RFA rights to Lehner? Why?

Rangers could get way more than that for Lundqvist. His face alone is worth a 1st rounder!

[Roof-Daddy]

Lundqvist is 36, carries a cap hit of $8.5 million for 4 more years and has had very average numbers for 2 full seasons now.

[savemedrzaius]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Lundqvist is 36, carries a cap hit of $8.5 million for 4 more years and has had very average numbers for 2 full seasons now.

He only has 3 more seasons on his contract so your wording is misleading.

His cap hit is 8.5 but next year he is actually only owed 7.5, then 7 and his final season it's 5.5 million. He would be attractive to a team with lots of cap space.

His 2016-2017 season was an off year but he had a solid bounce back year this season. He was playing in front of a pretty bad team and still put up good numbers.

Goalie prospects aren't worth much. You aren't going to get an 11 time All-Star for a goalie prospect and a 3rd rounder. Even if Lundqvist is in his twilight years. He's still a good goalie and his name alone means something.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

He only has 3 more seasons on his contract so your wording is misleading.

His cap hit is 8.5 but next year he is actually only owed 7.5, then 7 and his final season it's 5.5 million. He would be attractive to a team with lots of cap space.

His 2016-2017 season was an off year but he had a solid bounce back year this season. He was playing in front of a pretty bad team and still put up good numbers.

Goalie prospects aren't worth much. You aren't going to get an 11 time All-Star for a goalie prospect and a 3rd rounder. Even if Lundqvist is in his twilight years. He's still a good goalie and his name alone means something.

I don't care about any of this. I didn't comment on the proposal.

It's simple, I don't want the Flames to go out and get what is now an average, old goalie with the cap hit of an elite tender with multiple years left.

You're just wasting your lipstick.

[Vinny01]

I get the feeling we will either see Brodie or Hamilton moved in the summer for help up front. What type of 1 for 1 or 2 for 1 type deals do you think will be available?

Brodie for Galchenyuk
Brodie for Pacioretty
Brodie for Saad
Brodie for Coyle
Brodie for Domi+2nd
Brodie for Hoffman
Brodie for 1st, 2nd, 3rd

Hamilton for Marner
Hamilton for Nylander
Hamilton for O’Rielly
Hamilton for Tkachuk+Domi
Hamilton for Stone
Hamilton for Seguin


Some of the above playersay not be available but I think these are the types of returns we would be expecting no?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Mattman

Hear me out.

Is there any way we could upgrade our goalie on the fly by helping out another team out of our conference?

Like I'm talking generic

Flames trade to Buffalo:
- Smith
- Gilles/Rittich/Parsons (Pick one)
-2018 3rd pick

Sabres then trade to New York:
-Gilles, Rittich, or Parsons
-Lehner
-2018 3rd pick (Cgy or Buf)

Rangers trade to Calgary:
Lundquivst

My thinking behind this is if Buffalo wants to be a competitive team next year, and the Rangers are committing to a fill rebuild Lunquivst wants to chase a cup maybe.


Flames
In: Lundquivst
Out: Gilles, Rittich or Parsons, 3rd(2018 74 overall pick)+ M. Smith

Buffalo
In: M. Smith, 3rd(2018 74 overall pick)
Out: Gilles, Rittich, or Parsons, 3rd( 2018 63 overall pick)+ Lehner

NYR
In: Gilles, Rittich, or Parsons, 3rd( 2018 63 overall pick)+ Lehner
Out: Lundquivst

Flames trade the most get the best.
Sabres trade to upgrade Lehner to Smith.
Rangers trade for the future.

Edit: Not really a trade rumour just a discussion point and idea

First off why would you say pick one out of our goalie prospects when our best prospect is in that group? The Rangers would jump all over that to get Parsons who many experts believe is Quick v2.0 in the making and in return we get a washed up Lundquivst. That is terrible.

[shutout]

On a slightly different note, regarding European free agents.

Is Ville Meskanen worth going after?
How would we know if he is available and his contract has an out-clause?

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=92118

22 right hand shot

[Diemenz]

In a perfect world I would like this (and yes I know it’s not going to happen)

Backlund + Brodie for ROR (BUF)
Fox + Bennett for Hayes (NYR)
Sign Kane in UFA
Balance out the scoring over 2 lines have a 3rd line that can surprise and is defensively responsible and a 4 line that has 2 guys who can skate and 1 guy that is going to be working harder then everyone else this off season after last season.

Johnny - Monny - Hayes
Tkachuk - ROR - Kane
Ferland - janko - Frolik
Lazar - Shore - Brouwer

Gio - Hamilton
Hammer - Andersson
Kulak - Stone

That is my wish.

[Drunk Uncle]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I get the feeling we will either see Brodie or Hamilton moved in the summer for help up front. What type of 1 for 1 or 2 for 1 type deals do you think will be available?

Brodie for Galchenyuk
Brodie for Pacioretty
Brodie for Saad
Brodie for Coyle
Brodie for Domi+2nd
Brodie for Hoffman
Brodie for 1st, 2nd, 3rd

Hamilton for Marner
Hamilton for Nylander
Hamilton for O’Rielly
Hamilton for Tkachuk+Domi
Hamilton for Stone
Hamilton for Seguin


Some of the above playersay not be available but I think these are the types of returns we would be expecting no?

IMO the Brodie ones are spot on and I would add:

Brodie for Gallagher

For Hamilton, if you are going to trade a top end offensive defensman who is 24 you need a bonafide first line guy or a young future top line guy back so I like the bolded. I'm less excited about the other Hamilton trades and would work on a Brodie + in those cases. If that wouldn't get it done I'd stand pat. All in all very close to how I feel as well.

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by Diemenz

In a perfect world I would like this (and yes I know it’s not going to happen)

Backlund + Brodie for ROR (BUF) Terrible Value
Fox + Bennett for Hayes (NYR) Terrible Value
Sign Kane in UFA
Balance out the scoring over 2 lines have a 3rd line that can surprise and is defensively responsible and a 4 line that has 2 guys who can skate and 1 guy that is going to be working harder then everyone else this off season after last season.

Johnny - Monny - Hayes
Tkachuk - ROR - Kane
Ferland - janko - Frolik
Lazar - Shore - Brouwer

Gio - Hamilton
Hammer - Andersson
Kulak - Stone

That is my wish.

Bad Trades are Bad.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Diemenz

In a perfect world I would like this (and yes I know it’s not going to happen)

Backlund + Brodie for ROR (BUF)
Fox + Bennett for Hayes (NYR)
Sign Kane in UFA
Balance out the scoring over 2 lines have a 3rd line that can surprise and is defensively responsible and a 4 line that has 2 guys who can skate and 1 guy that is going to be working harder then everyone else this off season after last season.

Johnny - Monny - Hayes
Tkachuk - ROR - Kane
Ferland - janko - Frolik
Lazar - Shore - Brouwer

Gio - Hamilton
Hammer - Andersson
Kulak - Stone

That is my wish.

Solid lineup.

I don't think those trades get it done, but I like how you've slotted in those players.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Diemenz

In a perfect world I would like this (and yes I know it’s not going to happen)

Backlund + Brodie for ROR (BUF)
Fox + Bennett for Hayes (NYR)
Sign Kane in UFA
Balance out the scoring over 2 lines have a 3rd line that can surprise and is defensively responsible and a 4 line that has 2 guys who can skate and 1 guy that is going to be working harder then everyone else this off season after last season.

Johnny - Monny - Hayes
Tkachuk - ROR - Kane
Ferland - janko - Frolik
Lazar - Shore - Brouwer

Gio - Hamilton
Hammer - Andersson
Kulak - Stone

That is my wish.

I mean, I was following along quite well until you managed to keep Brouwer on the team on the 4th line, then the wheels fell off.
If were going that big at least get rid of Brouwer, its far more likely to happen that getting Hayes+Kane+ROR and fitting it all under the cap with Brouwer's full 4.5 on the books.

Then I'd be okay with it!

[Roof-Daddy]

I guess Brodie's value is wildly subjective around here, but IMO the difference between Backlund and ROR is not Brodie. I would also say that the difference in value between ROR and Brodie is not Backlund.

Maybe just me, but that is a pretty big over payment on Calgary's part.


Brodie + Backlund for ROR + McCabe would be much more palatable IMO.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I guess Brodie's value is wildly subjective around here, but IMO the difference between Backlund and ROR is not Brodie. I would also say that the difference in value between ROR and Brodie is not Backlund.

Maybe just me, but that is a pretty big over payment on Calgary's part.


Brodie + Backlund for ROR + McCabe would be much more palatable IMO.

It has to be close. Maybe Buffalo needs to add a little bit back, but not much. There is a pretty solid book out on Brodie the last 2 years and it reads like a horror novel. Meanwhile Backlund for all his defensive prowess simply is not anything more than average offensively for a good 2 way player.

Personally I doubt Buff does that deal even for Backlund/Brodie and ROR straight up.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Dan403

Bad Trades are Bad.

I love how any trade that's remotely in the realm of being realistic from the point of view of the other team is called out.

This thread is absolute bananas.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by transplant99

It has to be close. Maybe Buffalo needs to add a little bit back, but not much. There is a pretty solid book out on Brodie the last 2 years and it reads like a horror novel. Meanwhile Backlund for all his defensive prowess simply is not anything more than average offensively for a good 2 way player.

Personally I doubt Buff does that deal even for Backlund/Brodie and ROR straight up.

Agreed.

I don't think either trade has enough value coming from the Calgary side of the equation.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I think the Sabres would be more interested in Jankowski than Backlund. Plus, I'm sure Jankowski would love to play there. I think Brodie + Fox + Jankowski could get us ROR + a small add.

Top 9 looks like:

Gaudreau - Monahan - X
Tkachuk - ROR - X
X - Backlund - Frolik

With Ferland and others filling out the other spots.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

You're just wasting your lipstick.

And here I thought I was the only one who put on lipstick and got all dolled up to post here. Welcome to the club! #RuPaul’sPuckPost

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Agreed.

I don't think either trade has enough value coming from the Calgary side of the equation.

You heavily overrate Ryan O'Reilly then.

Over the last two seasons:

O'Reilly - GP: 153 G: 44 P:116 ESP: 63 Hits: 63 BlkShts:93 Takeaway: 123 (5 years at $7.5M left)

Backlund - GP: 163 G:36 P:98 ESP: 65 Hits: 109 BlkShts: 81 Takeaway: 138 (6 years at $5.35 left)

So you are giving up Brodie as the extra to get a guy who is pretty much an equivalent Even Strength player to Backlund but gets 9 more powerplay points per season as the focal point of a pretty strong powerplay in Buffalo. Plus spending an extra $2M in cap space for that player.

That is ridiculous if you think that Backlund + Brodie is not good enough value for O'Reilly.

The Fox + Bennett for Hayes trade is a little closer but IMO if you're going to move those two players you better be trying to package for an elite player.

In this scenario you are moving Backlund + Brodie + Fox + Bennett and aren't getting an elite player back, and really are just slightly upgrading Backlund and Bennett while giving up a top 4 d-man and a potential top 4 d-man. That would be horrible asset management.

That package of players is way better than what we have seen in trades for guys like Seguin, Hall, Kessel, Thornton, etc in the past. If you are moving those players you better get an elite player back.