[News] Brian Burke stepping back from Calgary Sports and Entertainment Corporation

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

So, the team is broke and bleeding money, has no fans, and plays in a half-empty arena? Good to know. I had thought otherwise.

You'd think so listening to the Flames talk about needing a new arena.
Whats even sadder, is none of the above is true, yet the results this management team has achieved are not much better.

[cannon7]

Before the Peters hire, I speculated that Burke and Treliving were in the hot seat with ownership. I think this is the first chip to fall.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

While there maybe things in the background that I don't see, from my perspective, Burke has done nothing to improve this team. We're older, slower, less exciting to watch, and have less cap room than before he started. I'm happy to see him go. I just hope this isn't a signal KK is going to be taking a more active role in hockey ops. That guy has 16 years of mediocrity under his belt, and saying the results have been mediocre is being kind.
This team really needs a management overhaul.

We are not older, nor are we slower. Take a look at the 2012/13 Flames' roster. It was Jurassic. The top 8 forwards by points:

Cammalleri, Stempniac, Tanguay, Hudler, Glencross, Stajan, Iginla, Cervenka

The defense:

Wideman, Bouwmeester, Giordano, Brodie, Butler, Sarich

If we're less exciting to watch, that's style of play, which is hard to blame on the POHO.

As for cap room, we were a cap team then and a cap team now. I think the team is a lot less burdened with bad contracts now than they were then.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Before the Peters hire, I speculated that Burke and Treliving were in the hot seat with ownership. I think this is the first chip to fall.

I don't see that at all.

Burke did his 5 years and is moving on. It is probably mutual, but I doubt there was any pushing.

Treliving is in charge as GM (meaning he is not a puppet), and his job is safe.

[PugnaciousIntern]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I don't see that at all.

Burke did his 5 years and is moving on. It is probably mutual, but I doubt there was any pushing.

Treliving is in charge as GM (meaning he is not a puppet), and his job is safe.

I agree. I can't imagine Burke would get fired for a Peters hire. That accomplishes nothing.

[schteve_d]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I doubt either side is interested, but I would love to see Conroy as POHO.

I went looking and couldn't find where I got the idea from, but I was pretty sure that I read that there would no longer be a POHO with the Flames and Burke's duties would be distributed among the people already in place.

Did anyone else see that, or am I out to lunch?

[FlamesFanTrev]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

I went looking and couldn't find where I got the idea from, but I was pretty sure that I read that there would no longer be a POHO with the Flames and Burke's duties would be distributed among the people already in place.

Did anyone else see that, or am I out to lunch?

I read that his duties we're being distributed as he stepped down, but not necessarily that their wouldn't be a POHO. I left thinking this was more for the interm. I think the owners should be selecting someone they trust as POHO, and that position should be more of an oversight position. A second set of eyes preventing the GM from doing stupid things like handing out a dozen NMC, for example. Also, to prevent the owners and KK from directly meddling in the on ice product.

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

We are not older, nor are we slower. Take a look at the 2012/13 Flames' roster. It was Jurassic. The top 8 forwards by points:

Cammalleri, Stempniac, Tanguay, Hudler, Glencross, Stajan, Iginla, Cervenka

The defense:

Wideman, Bouwmeester, Giordano, Brodie, Butler, Sarich

If we're less exciting to watch, that's style of play, which is hard to blame on the POHO.

As for cap room, we were a cap team then and a cap team now. I think the team is a lot less burdened with bad contracts now than they were then.

The bolded players were jettisoned prior to BB coming in. Feaster was in the process of making over the team, to make it younger faster and cheaper(cap space). Under BB/BT this team has tried to fill holes by trading or signing older higher contract players and trading away draft picks. It has not been successful, nor does it bode well for the future. Good, sustaining teams build through the draft and trade away their older, higher cost players for draft picks so they can continue the cycle. the Flames are doing it backwards.

[Enoch Root]

The team is younger, faster, more talented, and has a deeper farm system, and a stronger management team than they had the day he was hired.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

I went looking and couldn't find where I got the idea from, but I was pretty sure that I read that there would no longer be a POHO with the Flames and Burke's duties would be distributed among the people already in place.

Did anyone else see that, or am I out to lunch?

Duhatchek said there probably wouldn't be a POHO, and that Treliving would now be in charge. He said Burke was really brought in because Feaster had made the Flames a league laughing stock after the ROR debacle and that it's been a gradual ceding of responsibility to Treliving and Maloney any way over the last 5 years.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Duhatchek said there probably wouldn't be a POHO, and that Treliving would now be in charge. He said Burke was really brought in because Feaster had made the Flames a league laughing stock after the ROR debacle and that it's been a gradual ceding of responsibility to Treliving and Maloney any way over the last 5 years.

Is there a quote from Eric D on the "laughing stock" comment, would really like to see any form of proof of the validity of this comment. I highly doubt he said anything close to the above quoted comment.

[GullFoss]

Anyone else hearing these k. King rumors? I've heard from 3 different people (all low quality) some varient of legit personal reasons, stepping back/stepping down.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Anyone else hearing these k. King rumors? I've heard from 3 different people (all low quality) some varient of legit personal reasons, stepping back/stepping down.

What do you mean by low quality?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Anyone else hearing these k. King rumors? I've heard from 3 different people (all low quality) some varient of legit personal reasons, stepping back/stepping down.

That was posted earlier in this thread. Depending on how low-quality your sources are, they may have just read it here (or heard it from someone who did).

Or, it might be true.

[GullFoss]

As in their links to the organization are two or three degrees of separation and I'd take each one with a grain of salt. But three grains of salt...it's interesting is all.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Is there a quote from Eric D on the "laughing stock" comment, would really like to see any form of proof of the validity of this comment. I highly doubt he said anything close to the above quoted comment.

About 5:30 in he talks about repairing the credibility of the team after Feaster.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/960/the-big...-organization/

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Is there a quote from Eric D on the "laughing stock" comment, would really like to see any form of proof of the validity of this comment. I highly doubt he said anything close to the above quoted comment.

I heard the interview on Friday and he certainly spoke about how specifically the ROR potential disaster had people asking him regularly "what is going on in Calgary" and that it hurt the credibility of the organization.
It was Friday afternoon with Kerr if you need definitive proof or to hear it yourself.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by transplant99

About 5:30 in he talks about repairing the credibility of the team after Feaster.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/960/the-big...-organization/

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I heard the interview on Friday and he certainly spoke about how specifically the ROR potential disaster had people asking him regularly "what is going on in Calgary" and that it hurt the credibility of the organization.
It was Friday afternoon with Kerr if you need definitive proof or to hear it yourself.

I feel thats somewhat disingenuous though.

Feaster was brought in to be the hatchet man. The guy to take the fall for trading the big names.

He did his bit and did it well. I harbour no ill-will towards him.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Locke

I feel thats somewhat disingenuous though.

Feaster was brought in to be the hatchet man. The guy to take the fall for trading the big names.

He did his bit and did it well. I harbour no ill-will towards him.

Eric D said that Feaster did a lot of good work, and a lot of the pieces in place are because of his moves.
He basically said the RoR potential disaster though was where he lost credibility.

My personal opinion is that Feaster did some good things and bad.
He drafted some of the most impactful guys on the roster. But he also really fumbled a number of items
- The Regehr deal was awful.
- The Bouwmeester deal was awful and didn't need to happen at the deadline. He was signed and could have been dealt in the summer if the deadline offers weren't good enough

Generally I think he did OK on drafting but on trading usually came out on the wrong end.

I don't hold anything against him for the Iginla deal though. That was all on 12.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Locke

I feel thats somewhat disingenuous though.

Feaster was brought in to be the hatchet man. The guy to take the fall for trading the big names.

He did his bit and did it well. I harbour no ill-will towards him.

Agree to disagree. He bungled every single one of those trades hard, and it set the franchise back for years.