Reaction to coaching hire

[RichKlit]

We’ve had what 3 coaches with this core so far? Something like that? I already said I wasn’t blown away with the Peters hire but I don’t think spending 5-6 million on a coach with a “name”guarantees success either. Again I’m taking a cautiously optimistic approach but still feel like if the roster issues aren’t fixed it doesn’t matter who’s coaching.

[RichKlit]

By the way I should be honest I was hoping for Sutter. Homer pick and I don’t care. Also don’t think he would have made any difference unless the roster is improved.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Thanks for the grade
For the record part of my aim was indeed to take an emotional pulse which is why the answers are constructed as they are.
Was anyone actually confused? Or are people just looking to complain about something?

I think sometimes people sweat the small stuff a little too much. Thanks for taking the time to put the poll together. You didn't have to do it and I am sure you did it with positive intentions.

Sometimes we take things for granted and don't appreciate all that the mods do. That said, some of us do appreciate it!

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Thanks for the grade
For the record part of my aim was indeed to take an emotional pulse which is why the answers are constructed as they are.
Was anyone actually confused? Or are people just looking to complain about something?

There's a clear bias in the options. But the above post suggests you don't really care what people who don't agree with you think.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by cannon7

There's a clear bias in the options. But the above post suggests you don't really care what people who don't agree with you think.

It is a just a poll he is not a bad guy, lets let it go! Some positive feedback is awesome, I am sure mods don't mind that but lets not make them out to be terrible people with bad intentions.

[DeluxeMoustache]

From the Calgary Sun you be the boss poll

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

What a poorly constructed survey

Just for fun :-)

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by cannon7

There's a clear bias in the options. But the above post suggests you don't really care what people who don't agree with you think.

You are now claiming bias in a poll, on a hockey forum, about a new coach hire? And you then turn it into a "you don't really care" post?

If you want someone to care about what you think, you need to show more than this. It's insulting to people who take their time to help out on the site for the sole reason they like to talk about hockey.

[direwolf]

Lol, now we're complaining about polls?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Lol, now we're complaining about polls?

And now you're complaining about people complaining about polls about complaining about a new coach!

[nik-]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

And now you're complaining about people complaining about polls about complaining about a new coach!

And now you're complaining about ...

.. no

[-TC-]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Lol, now we're complaining about polls?

are you new to CP2018? Pissing and moaning about stupid stuff is the new black.


On topic: I voted 'Cautiously Optimistic'. Peters didn't have much to work with in Carolina, he's slated to coach at the Worlds and the hockey community seems to think he's a solid guy. The presser was handled well, as was the subsequent interview I heard with Steinberg et al..

He comes across like a guy that's going to listen, observe, assess and respond. I like that approach.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall at some players meetings..

[Split98]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

I'm kind of between cautiously optimistic and wait and see, but figured wait and see. I do think it's definitely a positive that we're no longer going to be seeing the "being patient with square pegs in round holes" approach from under Gulutzan - in the Fan 960 interview, not only does he make mention of Brodie on the right being better 2 years ago, his specific words were (when asked specifically about the powerplay):

"Those are the ones that kill you, right? Where you have a 'nickname' (role) for a guy and then at the end of the year he goes, 'Oh yea, you know what, I didn't really like that nickname' ".

I think this is specifically hinting at Brodie being forced on the left, as this is the one experiment that Gulutzan refused to relinquish and admit as a failure, and we saw our team defence and GA suffer for it. But the theme has occurred so many times last year - putting him instead of Dougie on the PP point, sending in Brouwer to take an important faceoff etc.

So this is very reassuring that he is immediately acknowledging this to stamp it out.

This was very much the biggest positive change I've heard from Gulutzan.

I believe when he was talking about nicknames there, one of that other comments (besides the one you quoted) regarding having communication was very targeted to Brodie I thought. I don't remember the exact quote, but it was along the lines that you put a player on a side that isn't working for them, and they don't communicate with you that they're not feeling it.

Was twice I heard Peters bring up playing on the wrong side, which a big part of Gulutzan that bothered me.

[Fan in Exile]

I like the term cautiously optimistic. The board's been polarized over being positive or negative about the team, the coaching staff, and the management all season. To me, being in denial is not the same as being optimistic. There's a happy meeting place between being realistic and hoping for the best. I strongly believe that Gulutzan was not getting the best out of this team. I am optimistic that Peters will do better than Gulutzan but not certain that he was the best choice or what he will be able to achieve with this team. Hoping for the best. Giving Peters and Treliving the benefit of the doubt. Both have a lot of work to do.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Itse

The grade was actually meant as sort of dry humor, I mean it is admittedly silly to pick these apart, even though badly formulated polls are a pet peeve of mine. It's a non-issue really, it's just... Like bad grammar. Not a real issue if you can get the point but still grating...

I am sorry, but what, now?

[dash_pinched]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I am sorry, but what, now?

lol - Textcritic, you need this badge (if you don't have it already).

Spoiler!

[morgin]

I've come around on the hire. I'm cautiously optimistic because I still believe Treliving is a good GM who has forgotten more about hockey than I will ever know. He has a path - it's not the populist conventional path - but he seems confident in it so I will remain confident in him.

It's weird though - I've never been more pessimistic about ownership generally, so on that front I'm sort of down about my fandom. I hate the in game experience now. I used to tolerate it, but I actively dislike it now. It's dated, outclassed by other franchises, and partly feels like the owners are actively trying to avoid improving it to help sell the case that we need a new rink. It's like how they won't put debit machines in at McMahon - no reason to do so other than being cheap and thinking it maybe will convince people that the game experience is beyond salvageable in the current home.

So, cautiously optimistic about the coaching hire, but also at an all time low for myself in fan investment due to factors above the pay grade of Treliving.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by the2bears

You are now claiming bias in a poll, on a hockey forum, about a new coach hire? And you then turn it into a "you don't really care" post?

If you want someone to care about what you think, you need to show more than this. It's insulting to people who take their time to help out on the site for the sole reason they like to talk about hockey.

I'm responding to the following:

"Or are people just looking to complain about something?"

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

It is a just a poll he is not a bad guy, lets let it go! Some positive feedback is awesome, I am sure mods don't mind that but lets not make them out to be terrible people with bad intentions.

Oh please. I never said Jiri was a bad guy. Ever.

In fact we agree more than we disagree, we just happen to disagree on this one.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by cannon7

In fact we agree more than we disagree.

I disagree about this!

In all seriousness, I don't mind criticism but the delivery of it sometimes sucks. Particularly when people start saying that it is because I'm trying to make the poll biased.

I have deployed surveys to thousands of people to help make real business decisions. I understand the need to make sure that things are as clear as possible. And I would never use this poll to make any actual decisions.
But sometimes more descriptive language helps to understand the emotional pulse of a group of respondents in a way that standard "agree/disagree" scales don't. As long as you understand that the data is directional only. It is a trade off.

I thought carefully about the scale, including ensuring there was equal answers across negative and positive.

Can people agree or disagree if it was perfect? Sure.
But I would suggest when people start to conclude that it was because I have some motivations to get biased results - I object. There is no point to doing a poll to produce biased results.

So it may not be exactly how others would have done it. But I think it provides an accurate and directional sense of how the fan base is feeling. And it seems like most people have found an answer that suits their emotional state. That was the goal.

So indeed I do care how people feel. I also think people are too quick to complain about things and do so sometimes in a manner that is more whiney than it is constructive.

To put it another way, everyone needs to pee on the fire to see what it smells like. Sometimes its better just to hold it in.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Timbo

I start every season with optimism. It’s what I do as a fan.