[News] Flames hire Bill Peters as the franchise's 19th head coach

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[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I didn't whine all year about GG, I actually defended him for the majority of it. I can't be happy it isn't GG because honestly I would rather we kept Gully than bring in an even worse coach. At best it is a lateral move, what is the point? Sick of losing, bring in a vet coach who has won already.

Let’s claim a coach is worse when he hasn’t even been hired by the Flames, let alone coached a game for this group of players yet. Jesus.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

At best it is a lateral move, what is the point?

You can't possibly know that so don't pretend you do.

[Macindoc]

To me, it's Gulutzan 2.0, basically Treliving saying that he believes in building and coaching a team for the advanced stats. Yet another coach whose teams have great fancy stats but poor records that significantly underperform expectations.

Obviously, Treliving thinks Gulutzan was the right choice but the players tuned him out. Unfortunately, that's also what I heard about Peters in Carolina. Even The Fan 960 was critical, quoting a former Flame (Commodore, I believe) who said he couldn't understand the move.

Why do we insist on hiring coaches with a proven track record of poor performance?

[dino7c]

Friedman had a good point...they spend 15-20M less than anyone in their division and you blame the coach for their lack of success?

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Next two seasons we win a total of 35 games.
Finish last in the league and lose the lottery both times.
Panic in season trades to get rid of all our best players.
Move the team to Houston so that Edwards can pocket $700M.
Houston Thunder wins back to back Stanley Cups in 2022, 2023.

All because we hired Peters.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Cheese

I remember clearly when Bob Johnson was hired by the Flames back in the 80s from the University of Wisconsin, everyone thought it was crazy. Fortunately, there were no internet or message boards at the time so outside of bitching to your friends and neighbors, we could only wait for results. If BP is anything like Bob I'm all for it...then again...

Badger was hired on the heels of Herb Brooks' Olympic success and subsequent NY Rangers position. Back then, it was unconventional to tap into the American College system for coaches (players were already finding success). Johnson was pretty much considered the next best US College coach available. Some might have seen it as a crazy hire, but many more at the time viewed it as cutting-edge. "Systems" and motivational techniques were becoming more prevalent then as well.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Friedman had a good point...they spend 15-20M less than anyone in their division and you blame the coach for their lack of success?

If Calgary didn't overpay 4th line players they would be close to the same level.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

I completely agree with this comment. I was at that game as well and was blown away by how good Carolina looked. I couldn’t believe it was the Hurricanes we were playing to be honest.

Yeah they seemed like they just needed some goal scorers and better goaltending. Flames can provide that. Then the only question will be was it the system or the players in Carolina they couldn't score

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Realtor 1

Just wait.... Torts has a successful but short lifespan with teams. He could become available with a monumental collapse followed by player interviews of guys no longer listening to the pounding chest.

I hate to say it but Peters doesn't seem like much of an upgrade on GG. Cameron was the absolute biggest train wreck known to the flames this past season and with a monkey in charge of the PP we would have made the playoffs. This is a squeak into playoffs team with GG and it is the same with Peters imo.

What would AV or Sutter do differently than Peters that would make the Flames a playoff lock versus squeaking in?

Torts sometimes has a successful short lifespan. He had a dismal short lifespan in Vancouver.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

To me, it's Gulutzan 2.0, basically Treliving saying that he believes in building and coaching a team for the advanced stats. Yet another coach whose teams have great fancy stats but poor records that significantly underperform expectations.

Obviously, Treliving thinks Gulutzan was the right choice but the players tuned him out. Unfortunately, that's also what I heard about Peters in Carolina. Even The Fan 960 was critical, quoting a former Flame (Commodore, I believe) who said he couldn't understand the move.

Why do we insist on hiring coaches with a proven track record of poor performance?

Commodore thinks Babcock is the worst person/coach in NHL...he knows Peter's as Babcock's assistant. Grain of salt.

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Not another analytics tactician coach
We need a good old fashioned hockey coach.
Somebody who played the game the right way, in the trenches, along the boards, in the penalty boxes. Only then can we ever hope to succeed.

[badradio]

I just want exciting hockey again. That is all. Even those years without playoffs under Bob were exciting because the potential was there and it was fun to watch. If any coach can bring that to this team I would be a fan of them.

[Computerjungle]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

You can't possibly know that so don't pretend you do.

why cant he have that opinion? Thats whats great about being a fan, to have different opinions. I may not agree with what he says but i agree with him being critical of his team.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by Bunk

The game early in the year Carolina beat us, I was at the dome and was quite impressed with how they played. Their record wasn't great, but their roster wasn't too great either. Same system (some continuity), better players, fresh start, might work. That's all I got.

The same system is still a boring system.

Half the reason everyone on here wanted GG fired wasnt only results but was how absolutely dreadfully boring the flames played most of the past two seasons.

For me, I would rather a run and gun exciting hockey team that may not win but is at least going to be entertaining.

Its not like this roster screams "CUP WINNER" so we may as well be entertained.

Mike Smith will not win us a cup, Ferkland will not be a top line RW on a cup winner.

this coaching hire will not make up for these things and at best will be a continuation of the same old system and failure of this organization. Hiring a better coach would at least give us excitement and we'd be able to enjoy the wins we do get.

If Bill Peters is hired there is very little to get excited about for the next year and expectations should be about 90 points and 9th place in the west. same as always. But we'll do it in a boring way.

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https://www.ranker.com/list/worst-nh...he-round-mound

https://www.thesportster.com/hockey/...s-of-all-time/



I have already been emailing these publications to update their lists to add Bill Peters, because after his two years in Calgary he will have to be considered the worst coach ever.
How can he not be the worst coach with all the hatred and criticism about the job he has done and he has probably not even talked to more than a couple of players at best.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

I completely agree with this comment. I was at that game as well and was blown away by how good Carolina looked. I couldn’t believe it was the Hurricanes we were playing to be honest.

I think Carolina has an underrated roster.

But they didn't seem as boring as the Flames, so that's something.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

To me, it's Gulutzan 2.0, basically Treliving saying that he believes in building and coaching a team for the advanced stats. Yet another coach whose teams have great fancy stats but poor records that significantly underperform expectations.

Obviously, Treliving thinks Gulutzan was the right choice but the players tuned him out. Unfortunately, that's also what I heard about Peters in Carolina. Even The Fan 960 was critical, quoting a former Flame (Commodore, I believe) who said he couldn't understand the move.

Why do we insist on hiring coaches with a proven track record of poor performance?

Commodore is a troll. He says he was barely familiar with the guy yet trashed him because of his ties to Babcock.

Commodore looks like the foolish one when talks about anything related to Babcock.

[Steve Bozek]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Badger was hired on the heels of Herb Brooks' Olympic success and subsequent NY Rangers position. Back then, it was unconventional to tap into the American College system for coaches (players were already finding success). Johnson was pretty much considered the next best US College coach available. Some might have seen it as a crazy hire, but many more at the time viewed it as cutting-edge. "Systems" and motivational techniques were becoming more prevalent then as well.

When Johnson was hired there were some Neanderthal NHL insiders who thought the Flames were crazy (I think Cherry might have been one). There were lots of NHL management types who still undervalued NCAA hockey, which was why Fletcher was able to pick up players like Macoun and Otto.

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Now we just need to change the picture to the Flames.
We are now the new laughing stock oilers.