[POLL] Calgary Flames coaching change mega-thread—with poll

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Tyler‏ @akaRCN
Pinder confirms source - a current Eastern Conference Coach - tells him he's heard CGY ownership has intetest in bringing Darryl Sutter back.

I really hope ownership isn't forcing a selection that Treliving doesn't want.

On the one hand, meddling - bad. On the other hand, Peters - bad. I think DS would be a better coach here than Peters, so I suppose that's good. If Treliving gets overruled by Edwards on the coach hire, where does that leave him? Is the talk about Burke going related to that? Good times.

[Toonage]

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[Ashasx]

If the owners don't have confidence in Treliving enough to make a coaching pick, then he shouldn't be here. Give him autonomy, or don't. Enough of this nonsense.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Well Treliving might have just lost some of the owners’ confidence with the last pick. And you expect he needs approval for major decisions affecting the franchise

If you are a boss, and you have an employee that screws up pretty badly, do you give him the same full autonomy on the next decision?

Most bosses I have seen would be looking very closely

I would not be surprised at all if ownership would at very least require Tre to identify why any candidate he recommends is a better idea than Sutter

This isn't that simple though.

The owners are oil and gas and doughnuts and coffee guys ... not hockey people. You don't want them pushing their weight around on topics they have zero skill to utilize.

[Vinny01]

Sutter over Peters

[Otto-matic]

“I was a bit surprised (by the decision), but I have a real good connection with Tre so I obviously knew there were some unhappy people,” he said. “I think we did a really good job in our first season here. I don’t know if we could have done a much better job than what we did. Playoffs didn’t go the way we wanted (in 2017), but we came from 77 to 94 points and I think we changed the whole feel of how this team should play and what style they should play moving forward

So getting in by the skin of your teeth thanks to a 10 game season saving win streak was doing a really good job Glen? If it wasn't for them playing at an insane clip near the end of the season IIRC they would have missed the dance.

Not sure I would classify that as a really good job.

[Ashasx]

Tyler‏ @akaRCN
Dreger tells 1260 CGY could be looking at Barry Trotz, Bill Peters, Darryl Sutter & Dave Tippett; says ownership would like to see Darryl back, but Treliving not excited about that idea. I believe Tippett is a 0% chance. I thought thinfs ended sourly between Darryl/ownership?

Sounds like bad news for this franchise if Sutter is selected.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Tyler‏ @akaRCN
Dreger tells 1260 CGY could be looking at Barry Trotz, Bill Peters, Darryl Sutter & Dave Tippett; says ownership would like to see Darryl back, but Treliving not excited about that idea. I believe Tippett is a 0% chance. I thought thinfs ended sourly between Darryl/ownership?

Sounds like bad news for this franchise if Sutter is selected.

Dreger is just parroting the names, he doesn't have a clue.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by zamler

How?

He only says a bit. But really, you expect a guy who believes in what he's doing or even one who's now marketing himself to other teams to say "I was a failure and expected to be fired - I'm just stunned it took so long"?

And he may not be wrong - I don't think you need to change much to have him keep his job for at least one more year. I do think getting in would have done it.

[zamler]

Even the oil and gas and doughnuts and coffee guys, as clueless as they are, could have told you Gulutzan was an iffy hire at best.

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Tyler‏ @akaRCN
Dreger tells 1260 CGY could be looking at Barry Trotz, Bill Peters, Darryl Sutter & Dave Tippett; says ownership would like to see Darryl back, but Treliving not excited about that idea. I believe Tippett is a 0% chance. I thought thinfs ended sourly between Darryl/ownership?

Sounds like bad news for this franchise if Sutter is selected.

I don't know if I trust this Tyler guy as a source. Especially since he broke the "GG will be back news from Spector"

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

This is something that didn't get enough play. That line was not very good this season and he never made any adjustments. Just kept it together in hopes that they would magically regain their form from the season before even though it was painfully obvious that Frolik was dragging that line down all season and Tkachuk wasn't being fully utilized playing with two slumping players.

IMO the line should've been split up before the season even started.

How were we going to contend? By being a 3 line team that had 2 scoring lines and an elite checking line. How do you get there? By letting Tkachuk drive one of the scoring lines and getting Backlund and Frolik to be your elite 2-way checking line. In order to get two scoring lines you had to develop Bennett or Jankowski into a 2nd line centre. In order to do that you had to play them with some good offensive players to get their confidence going. Just amazing that Glen did not seem to see any of this.

Why did we never roll with...

Gaudreau-Monahan-Ferland
Tkachuk-Jankowski-Bennett
Frolik-Backlund-Brouwer/Versteeg

OR

Tkachuk-Monahan-Bennett
Gaudreau-Jankowski-Ferland
Frolik-Backlund-Brouwer/Versteeg

The 2nd lineup in particular would've had each of young offensive players (Bennett/Janko) with 2 more established players and put in situations to succeed offensively. Which line is the opposition going to send their best checkers against? Both the top two lines look very dangerous and you can use Backlund/Frolik as a shutdown line.

I'm sure Treliving imagined some lineups like this. IMO that was the type of lineup that we needed in order to succeed. That Gulutzan put the struggling Bennett and Jankowski with a 4th line grinder in Hathaway shows you just how limited his vision was and how he really completely failed to put those two in situations to succeed for the majority of the year.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

I don't know if I trust this Tyler guy as a source. Especially since he broke the "GG will be back news from Spector"

...Tyler isn't a source. He's just repeating what's be discussed on the Fan.

[868904]

1) Get rid of Ken King, replace him with Burke as President;
2) Move Maloney to POHO;
3) Hire Sutter as head coach and assistant POHO taking over Maloney's position. This gives Darryl a little more incentive to come back and to accept Peters as Associate coach;
4) Hire Peters as Associate Coach.

You get rid of the guy at the top who screwed up the arena. You play some musical chairs at the Hockey Ops level. You get the master motivator in Sutter. You get the new school technical and strategy guy in Peters.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm one.

1. I like coaches that coach to have the puck.
2. He came under Babcock one of the best coaches all time.
3. His possession game seems to mirror Babcock's
4. Getting picked twice to coach at the World Championships stands out.
5. I've seen some of his wrinkles that are very different, and innovative including the use of the far side winger as a chase vehicle to regain puck control in his own zone.

I say all this with the caveat that I'd want to look into why they didn't win in Carolina. Pretty easy to tag Darling for a lot of it (and Lack the year before that) the numbers jump off the page, but he has a similarly "unlucky" shooting percentage as Gulutzan, so is that a system issue or is it players? Bounces? A mix? His teams have had the 2nd or 3rd lowest payroll in recent years so there's that too.

Well time to watch 164 straight games of Carolina tape!

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Dreger is just parroting the names, he doesn't have a clue.

Seems odd that he would mention Treliving wasn't enamored by Sutter if he was just spitballing names.

[Torch]

Sutter would be a terrible coach for this team. Might as well trade Johnny.
Ferland on the top line makes no sense, Ferland is Rene Bourque 2.0 . Ferland is a third line guy on a cup team.
This team needs an large injection of talent and heart.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

This is something that didn't get enough play. That line was not very good this season and he never made any adjustments. Just kept it together in hopes that they would magically regain their form from the season before even though it was painfully obvious that Frolik was dragging that line down all season and Tkachuk wasn't being fully utilized playing with two slumping players.

What's amazing is that Tkachuk still managed to hit 49 points despite being stuck on a line that was slumping. That's damn impressive.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Well time to watch 164 straight games of Carolina tape!

I watched 5-6 hurricane games this year actually... only reason was that I thought the first one I saw was exciting. And the rest were too. They were not nearly as awful as they appear in the standings, and play some high flying hockey.

That’s my limited exposure, non-analytical opinion.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Bingo

This isn't that simple though.

The owners are oil and gas and doughnuts and coffee guys ... not hockey people. You don't want them pushing their weight around on topics they have zero skill to utilize.

But it kind of is. They are executives.
Sure they may not be x and o guys.

But if this is their logic, it is pretty tough to argue
- last time the franchise was in a similar-ish state, Sutter stepped in and made them a playoff team, darn near won a cup
- he stepped in to LA, fixed them up and won 2 cups
- he is available now
- Tre’s handpicked guy just flopped colossally

The bar is now Sutter. How can Tre justify his guy to those cutting the cheques and avoid part of that justification being why not Sutter?