Treliving needs to start feeling the heat

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by savardandjokinen

Here we go again, the impatience is crazy. While we could be much, much better, the season is young and there are 12 teams below us as well. Give it some time

Good thing we were patient! It was obvious to anyone with a shred of common sense things would get much better.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

No, it is a testament to pissing away useful pieces like Byron, Baertschi, Granlund out of a misguided bottom 6 = size concept. Meanwhile that size - specifically Lazar, Hathaway, Brouwer, Glass, provided mostly zilch.

It's a combination of both, but this organizations biggest detriment the last 25 years has been poor drafting and development. They've never been able to supplement their cores with good cheap solid depth through the draft. So then the GM ends up trading away pick after pick after pick to add depth players and/or making terrible UFA signings in an attempt to fill out the roster.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Byron didn’t solidify his spot, Baertschi asked for a trade (because Hartley?), and Granlund still wouldn’t have a spot at center today, where he performs best.

None of those three are guys that really fit at the time, I don’t think they were “pissed away” for size. Byron literally lost his spot to Mason Raymond of all people. Size?? Not in that guy.

Why wouldn't Granlund have a spot at centre, he is better then Stajan.

[Stay Golden]

If Treliving refuses to fire Gulutzan than he is refusing to acknowledge that Gulutzan & his coaching staff are the primary reason the team were dysfunctional especially the second half of the season. Treliving should be 100% be fired if he is unwilling to change his opinion on Gulutzan.
"We have a really good coach" Treliving said 2 days ago. Screw you Treliving.

If Gulutzan is not fired Treliving is just plain pig headed.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

It's a combination of both, but this organizations biggest detriment the last 25 years has been poor drafting and development. They've never been able to supplement their cores with good cheap solid depth through the draft. So then the GM ends up trading away pick after pick after pick to pick up depth players and/or making terrible UFA signings in an attempt to fill out the roster.

And when the fans embrace a rebuild and youth movement, management pulls the plug early on that strategy and starts trading away picks like crazy.

Missing the playoffs is less disappoint when you have picks and free agents to look forward to.

I really think this coming season is BTs last chance with the Flames to get the formula right.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

Why wouldn't Granlund have a spot at centre, he is better then Stajan.

Heck, he was when we traded him.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

No, it is a testament to pissing away useful pieces like Byron, Baertschi, Granlund out of a misguided bottom 6 = size concept. Meanwhile that size - specifically Lazar, Hathaway, Brouwer, Glass, provided mostly zilch.

That is not the reason the Flames moved on from any of these players.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

President - buffoon
POHO - dinosaur
GM - ?
Coach - at best, 2 wasted years
Pro scouts - the worst in the league south of Edmonton

You dont have enough information for that determination to be definitive.

I have it good authority that King's Corsi stats are off the charts and Burke has mad Fenwick.

Our coach needs at least....another 160-320 games for us to have enough information to determine whether he has any idea what hes doing.

On a positive note, if we gave him another 320 games he ought to at least be able to learn how to become an NHL head coach in that time.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I give credit to BT though for things like learning from the Bouma disaster contract by not only buying him out when he flat lined, but also avoiding the same thing with arbitration eligible RFA bottom six forwards like Joe Colborne and Alex Chiasson.

Chiassons 9 goals and 18 points this season (in 61 games) would have made him our best bottom six forward not named Sam Bennett. And he only ended up costing the Caps $660K on a 1-year contract

I can't see how passing up on that was something to give credit for.

(Not that I think it would have made a difference. Plus different teams and systems. But still.)

[Badgers Nose]

Yeah Alex was pretty useful player, not sure why the hate for him. Much better than lazar.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Itse

Chiassons 9 goals and 18 points this season (in 61 games) would have made him our best bottom six forward not named Sam Bennett. And he only ended up costing the Caps $660K on a 1-year contract

I can't see how passing up on that was something to give credit for.

(Not that I think it would have made a difference. Plus different teams and systems. But still.)

I meant not qualifying him. IIRC he would have had to be qualified for a lot more. I could be wrong though.

Also, he would have been behind both Bennett and Janko in the bottom six with those numbers. Personally I would have welcomed him back on that contract, but can see why they went with Versteeg instead, but who knew Versteeg would suffer the injuries he suffered.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Yeah Alex was pretty useful player, not sure why the hate for him. Much better than lazar.

It was because he had the reclamation stigma that Flames fans despise due to reclamation projects too often being brought in to actually fill a critical spot rather than just be a bonus if they work out.

He started strong in the NHL and then struggled and teams were chasing the 22 year old, 13 goal scorer on the rise in Dallas. Then he actually scored 12 goals with us and was gone.

He would have looked great in our bottom six this year, but he was always going to be Alex "not a top six solution" Chaisson and was cut loose.

[Enoch Root]

If Brouwer weren't under contract, they may have looked at re-signing Chiasson.

But I fail to see how that would have made any difference to this team.

We don't have a super-talented bottom 6, that is without question. However, it shouldn't have been as bad as it was, and I blame the systems for a large chunk of that.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Locke

You dont have enough information for that determination to be definitive.

I have it good authority that King's Corsi stats are off the charts and Burke has mad Fenwick.

Our coach needs at least....another 160-320 games for us to have enough information to determine whether he has any idea what hes doing.

On a positive note, if we gave him another 320 games he ought to at least be able to learn how to become an NHL head coach in that time.

If we are to be Intellectually Honest with ourselves, another 320 games of The Process and we are sure to have Something Special. It's a toss up whether The Process or The Plan will result in Something Special first.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

If we are to be Intellectually Honest with ourselves, another 320 games of The Process and we are sure to have Something Special. It's a toss up whether The Process or The Plan will result in Something Special first.

But we're not trading any prospects?

[Itse]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

If we are to be Intellectually Honest with ourselves, another 320 games of The Process and we are sure to have Something Special. It's a toss up whether The Process or The Plan will result in Something Special first.

That...

hurts.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Locke

But we're not trading any prospects?

Depends on whether we follow The Plan or the Process... to be Intellectually Honest.

[GioforPM]

Granlund was better than Stajan offensively when he was traded. I don't think he was better defensively, and he was certainly not better at faceoffs. Regardless, Stajan was under contract, couldn't be traded, whereas Granlund was coming up as an RFA with arb rights IIRC. It's unfair to say Granlund was traded in favour of keeping Stajan.

[jayswin]

I remember when Granlund got 7 goals in 8 games once and I seriously started to wonder if we had the better Granlund brother.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Byron didn’t solidify his spot, Baertschi asked for a trade (because Hartley?), and Granlund still wouldn’t have a spot at center today, where he performs best.

None of those three are guys that really fit at the time, I don’t think they were “pissed away” for size. Byron literally lost his spot to Mason Raymond of all people. Size?? Not in that guy.

Well Byron lost his spot to Brandon Bollig, that was the guy BT really wanted to hang on to.

But BT does have a problem with Feaster guys (Byron, Baertschi, Granlund), his guys usually get buried in the minors (Bollig), bought out (Raymond) or given enough time to eventually show their value (Brouwer).