03-21-2018, 09:39 PM
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#5081
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sector 7-G
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https://twitter.com/user/status/976499558124523521
Hey Flames, take a page out of the Rush owners and help save the team.
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03-21-2018, 10:07 PM
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#5082
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Originally Posted by Otto-matic
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If you read the article, he's only covering 10%, which is less than the Flames offered.
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03-21-2018, 10:20 PM
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#5083
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Otto-matic
Hey Flames, take a page out of the Rush owners and help save the team.
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I'm sure the Flames owners would love to pay $20 million for a new arena. Hell, the players could pool their money together and cover $20 million.
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03-21-2018, 10:50 PM
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#5084
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sector 7-G
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Hey its something atleast from a owner who cares about his team.
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03-21-2018, 11:09 PM
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#5085
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Matty81
For me this is where Murray Edwards measure as a man gets taken though... people have suggested he left Canada because he didn't want to pay higher taxes and contribute more of his wealth to our society and now the Flames are in hard times, if he hightails it again his legacy in Canada will be nothing more than a selfish villain.
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From what I understand, he left because his marriage failed. And failed publicly. He left to have a fresh start, which is his right.
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03-22-2018, 06:32 AM
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#5086
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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How much was the team purchased for by current ownership? How much is it currently worth?
Pro sports are a vanity arrangement. They've never been a huge money making arrangement. I can understand not wanting to hemorrhage money but can we at least admit that they've made significant gains just by owning the team while the league's net value has increased? It certainly wasn't worth 600 million before but that's the sale price now.
This is all greed. Our owners are all old oil men. That industry seems doomed with current government. They saw Katz pivot into real estate up north and want to join the club. Once cgy next and the extra land opportunities were off the table they stopped engaging meaningfully. That's pretty damn transparent.
It's not about hockey or civic pride for them, it's about squeezing the most money possible out if this damn city (even while it's on its knees)
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03-22-2018, 06:35 AM
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#5087
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Reneeee
If you read the article, he's only covering 10%, which is less than the Flames offered.
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Using a much larger % of his own net worth in a much less lucrative market. The situation is entirely different. His product also hasn't tripled in value over the last 20 years.
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03-22-2018, 07:01 AM
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#5088
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: NYYC
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Originally Posted by Otto-matic
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What's nice about this, is you at least have an owner who is willing to speak up and engage with the public about a new arena, as opposed to just having his lackeys do all the talking. I'd have more respect for the Flames ownership position if they weren't cowering in the shadows. When is the last time we heard directly from them?
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03-22-2018, 07:07 AM
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#5089
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Alberta
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Originally Posted by Table 5
What's nice about this, is you at least have an owner who is willing to speak up and engage with the public about a new arena, as opposed to just having his lackeys do all the talking. I'd have more respect for the Flames ownership position if they weren't cowering in the shadows. When is the last time we heard directly from them?
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he's also an owner who has moved his team because Edmonton didn't bend over for him. fringe sport with an owner who had oiler sized asks.
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03-22-2018, 08:22 AM
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#5090
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: NYYC
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Originally Posted by GordonBlue
he's also an owner who has moved his team because Edmonton didn't bend over for him. fringe sport with an owner who had oiler sized asks.
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And that's exactly what CSEC has been insinuating will happen here too.
The point is, no matter what your goal or message, at least have the courtesy to speak to the people you're asking hundreds of millions of dollars from. Harley Hotchkiss got up in front of the mic and spoke to Flames fans and citizens directly...why can't this current ownership group?
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03-22-2018, 08:25 AM
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#5091
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: the middle
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The Roughnecks probably wouldn't still be around if CSEC didn't buy them. Just like the Hitmen sticking around while the Ice left Edmonton, it was a tough ticket to operate in the big arena they didn't control and didn't have a good deal with.
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03-22-2018, 08:35 AM
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#5092
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Reneeee
If you read the article, he's only covering 10%, which is less than the Flames offered.
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The article doesn't go into enough detail to really understand what he's offering/receiving.
Will his team pay rent? Will they receive concession/parking money? Will they own the building? Will they property taxes?
The problem with the Flames offer is that they expected to receive all of the benefits, without any of the costs.
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03-22-2018, 02:31 PM
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#5093
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by Canehdianman
The article doesn't go into enough detail to really understand what he's offering/receiving.
Will his team pay rent? Will they receive concession/parking money? Will they own the building? Will they property taxes?
The problem with the Flames offer is that they expected to receive all of the benefits, without any of the costs.
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Aside from all maintenance, liability and utilities.
But you're right, we don't know what this dude's deal is - so why is he being held up as a paragon?
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03-22-2018, 02:38 PM
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#5094
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
Aside from all maintenance, liability and utilities.
But you're right, we don't know what this dude's deal is - so why is he being held up as a paragon?
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Hmm, my recollection of the Flames offer was that since they didn't own the building, they wouldn't be paying any utilities or maintenance.
Am I wrong? I can't find any useful links about it anymore.
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03-22-2018, 02:41 PM
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#5095
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Hey guys, here's an idea: why don't we just get some random construction firm to build an arena and then send the Flames the invoice?
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03-22-2018, 02:43 PM
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#5096
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
Aside from all maintenance, liability and utilities.
But you're right, we don't know what this dude's deal is - so why is he being held up as a paragon?
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I went back a couple pages to see if you were talking about a hypothetical, but it doesn't seem like you were.
The Flames proposal wanted the City to own the building - as in the City will pay for all maintenance, liability and utilities.
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03-22-2018, 02:44 PM
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#5097
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Table 5
And that's exactly what CSEC has been insinuating will happen here too.
The point is, no matter what your goal or message, at least have the courtesy to speak to the people you're asking hundreds of millions of dollars from. Harley Hotchkiss got up in front of the mic and spoke to Flames fans and citizens directly...why can't this current ownership group?
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Hotchkiss did have press conferences and speeches in which he said he'd have to move the team. Somehow he pulled it off. But that was a different time I guess. If Edwards did that now, people here would howl about threats.
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03-22-2018, 02:46 PM
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#5098
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Regorium
I went back a couple pages to see if you were talking about a hypothetical, but it doesn't seem like you were.
The Flames proposal wanted the City to own the building - as in the City will pay for all maintenance, liability and utilities.
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Nope, that's just not correct. It would be like the Dome. No rent, but the Flames pay all ongoing normal expenses. Just like any commercial lease.
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03-22-2018, 02:47 PM
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#5099
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
Hotchkiss did have press conferences and speeches in which he said he'd have to move the team. Somehow he pulled it off. But that was a different time I guess. If Edwards did that now, people here would howl about threats.
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http://www.canoe.ca/HockeyCalgaryArchive/apr14_fla.html
This was one, even after they met the ticket goal:
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor...ticle18424260/
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03-22-2018, 03:01 PM
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#5100
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GordonBlue
he's also an owner who has moved his team because Edmonton didn't bend over for him. fringe sport with an owner who had oiler sized asks.
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Is that how it went? At the time I thought I remember the Oilers didn't want a Lacrosse team not owned by them as a tenant and pushed him out, with the rumour that the Oilers would bring in their own Lacrosse team in the coming years.
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