The trials and tribulations of Glen Gulutzan

[Resolute 14]

Treliving has made three major mistakes in the last couple seasons:
1. Signing Brouwer
2. Failing to lottery protect the pick on the Hamonic trade
3. Hiring Gulutzan, then showing too much loyalty to him when it was clear he's not suited to the job.

Treliving is pretty much out of grace at this point. He can't do anything about #2, but he needs to fix 1 and 3 next season. Because, yes, the target is now on his back. And he put it there himself.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

If missing the playoffs after career years from you best players, a hot goalie and trading a ####load of picks is the process, then the process sucks.

That sums the Flames since 1990 pretty much, minus one aberration.

[Toonage]

I can't see the Flames firing Treliving but if they did its likely Maloney moves into the GM role, hires Tippett (assuming they still talk) and the Flames transformation to the Calgary Coyotes will be complete.

[Pointman]

Treliving was the only GM in the league who couldn't see that Jagr is done. You could argue, that signing Jagr was a risk worth taking, but 30 GMs disagree. It took Treliving some months to grasp what other GMs had seen from July 1st. The move itself may not necesserily be a disaster due to no acquisition cost, but the evidence is mounting that Treliving is arguably the worst pro evaluator in the game.

[Resolute 14]

That's patently false, Pointman. The Blues wanted him as well. Dunno about others, but Jagr had options.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I can't see the Flames firing Treliving but if they did its likely Maloney moves into the GM role, hires Tippett (assuming they still talk) and the Flames transformation to the Calgary Coyotes will be complete.

I dont think there is a chance in hell Treliving gets fired, and would argue that it would be a mistake at this point, but even if he was there is even less chance that Tippett ends up under Maloney.

Unless I misunderstood, the entire reason Maloney was let go in Arizona was because of a power play by Tippett to get Maloneys job. I doubt there is a lot of love between the two.

[hurtin_albertan]

I could absolutely not believe when Smith came out to start the third last night. It’s obviously not Gully’s fault that his goalie had a bad night but it’s his responsibility to make the change.

If he goes into the dressing room right away and tells the boys there’s a goalie change rest of the way, it gives Rittich 20 minutes to get prepared and possibly changes the psyche of the players that the guy who has been struggling with every muffin is getting the rest of the night off. At that point the game was still salvageable.

Instead he does nothing, as per usual, Smith gives up another right off the bat, and the game is all but lost. It’s just amazing how oblivious the man seems to be.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I dont think there is a chance in hell Treliving gets fired, and would argue that it would be a mistake at this point, but even if he was there is even less chance that Tippett ends up under Maloney.

Unless I misunderstood, the entire reason Maloney was let go in Arizona was because of a power play by Tippett to get Maloneys job. I doubt there is a lot of love between the two.

I agree he isn't going to be fired. I was being a smart ass.
Also noted that Maloney and Tippett aren't likely talking.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by hurtin_albertan

I could absolutely not believe when Smith came out to start the third last night. It’s obviously not Gully’s fault that his goalie had a bad night but it’s his responsibility to make the change.

If he goes into the dressing room right away and tells the boys there’s a goalie change rest of the way, it gives Rittich 20 minutes to get prepared and possibly changes the psyche of the players that the guy who has been struggling with every muffin is getting the rest of the night off. At that point the game was still salvageable.

Instead he does nothing, as per usual, Smith gives up another right off the bat, and the game is all but lost. It’s just amazing how oblivious the man seems to be.

You couldn't believe it ? With GG I knew he was starting the 3rd! There was zero doubt in my mind!

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

That's patently false, Pointman. The Blues wanted him as well. Dunno about others, but Jagr had options.

This is not false. The Blues wanted him because they had injuries and told Jagr that they don't see him in their squad when everyone is healthy. Flames wanted him for the starting squad
That was a big part for Jagr to join the Flames. Beside this, there was no other interest reported. He was unsigned all the way into October.

[Pointman]

Also Treliving's first draft, that was 4 years ago, is starting to look horrible. Beyond Bennett, everything else looks like a miss. Second rounders were McDonald and Hunter Smith.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2014e.html

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by hurtin_albertan

I could absolutely not believe when Smith came out to start the third last night. It’s obviously not Gully’s fault that his goalie had a bad night but it’s his responsibility to make the change.

If he goes into the dressing room right away and tells the boys there’s a goalie change rest of the way, it gives Rittich 20 minutes to get prepared and possibly changes the psyche of the players that the guy who has been struggling with every muffin is getting the rest of the night off. At that point the game was still salvageable.

Instead he does nothing, as per usual, Smith gives up another right off the bat, and the game is all but lost. It’s just amazing how oblivious the man seems to be.

I'll preface this by saying that I didn't watch a minute of the game, so with that in mind, the only thing I'll say is that Rittich hasn't been good in relief duty. Maybe more notice during intermission changes that but generally he's struggled in that role.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Pointman

This is not false. The Blues wanted him because they had injuries and told Jagr that they don't see him in their squad when everyone is healthy. Flames wanted him for the starting squad
That was a big part for Jagr to join the Flames. Beside this, there was no other interest reported. He was unsigned all the way into October.

Moving the goalposts, and speculating on what the Blues may or may not have done in scenarios that never came to pass, doesn't change the fact that your statement was wrong.

Trust me, you can still criticize Treliving without making things up.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by 4X4

The silence is almost deafening from the "not Gulutzan's fault" crowd. I'm sure many are trying to justify another spectacular exhibition of in-game management, but just haven't strung their words together yet.

This thread started two weeks into the season, and the same garbage has been happening since October 24th. Where are all the defenders now? Yep, it's still not his fault for not recognizing that his f-ing goalie is having a bad night. Nope. Play through it. It'll be fine. Just another loss. No point in trying something/ANYTHING.

Coach doesn't do much anyways, according to a few here (some of which hold power, so I better not get too bitchy). So WTF is the point of a coach, if he's too useless to adjust stagnant lines, try new things on a completely powerless powerplay, or pull a goalie that is CLEARLY having a bad night? Nope, let's just wait until he lets in a 6th, FFS.

The guy does not know what he's doing. It is clear as day. Pretty amusing that a couple of the defenders are gently trying to insert "well, he should be replaced" comments in other threads lately, after defending this assclown all year long.

What was obvious to so many back on October 24th, and well before that, is finally becoming clear to the rest. The roster certainly isn't perfect, but without someone managing what you've got, there's no point in shopping for more. Gulutzan is completely useless. The Flames are better off without a coach altogether.

Smith has been pulling games from the ashes all season. I'd say that's one of his most evident strengths... The ability to play well after appearing shaky.

I get it, internet mobs be pissed and have come to their consensus on coaching decisions. Now it's time to #### on other posters and call them cowards.

There are lots of reasonable people here who just happen to think that this team is amongst a giant swath of teams in a parity driven league. They're on the wrong part of the pile right now for a hundred different reasons. Ya, coaching hasn't been great. Ya, coaching can be a difference maker and hasn't. They also can't pull the trigger on scoring chances. The players have also shown themselves to be fragile. They've also had bad luck. And if you don't think that luck can present as notably good or notably bad over 82 instances, then I think I still have my grade 10 math text book for you to go over.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I'll preface this by saying that I didn't watch a minute of the game, so with that in mind, the only thing I'll say is that Rittich hasn't been good in relief duty. Maybe more notice during intermission changes that but generally he's struggled in that role.

Uh, he has only had three games in a relief role.

One was the game against the Oilers where he and Hamonic had a chemistry mixup behind the net, which had to do with his being new to the team. We outscored the Oilers 4-1 with him on the ice and the only fault Rittich gets is for doing what any normal goalie would be doing which is not playing the puck with his dman skating towards him.

One was vs Tampa. He let in a bank goal from behind the net.

One was last night. He didn't allow any goals.

That is not anything resembling a sample size to say he has "generally struggled".

[Flash Walken]

You have to dance with the one that brung ya.

Season is basically lost at this point anyway. Keeping smith in the net is as much about winning this year as it is relationship management for the rest of his contract.

Game 5 of the season you probably pull him, let him reset, come back the next game. Game 73, there's no time for that. You win with your horses or you lose with them.

Yaya, GG sucks, sure, but the Flames blew their wad getting to 3 goals. I don't think Rittich in net would've sparked anything. Roster full of injuries and holes in the lineup on the outside looking in probably doesn't see a material difference in this game in terms of a finish.

Scored 1 goal against the oilers. This isn't a very good roster.

More than the handling of Smith, I seriously question deploying Versteeg out there. He looked tentative, slow and ####ty.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Moving the goalposts, and speculating on what the Blues may or may not have done in scenarios that never came to pass, doesn't change the fact that your statement was wrong.

Trust me, you can still criticize Treliving without making things up.

First off, challenging other's posts is good for the overall quality of CP content, so you are welcome to call it out.

That being said, there are numerous sources, that Blues only got interested after Fabbri went out for the season and their interest in Jagr was reportedly just "exploring all options". That happened at September 28th. Blues were not interested during the summer or camp. There was never any interest reported from other teams, quite contrary there were several quotes that Jagr wasn't getting much interest at all, reaffirmed by him being unsigned into October.


https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...season/sn-amp/

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Pointman

First off, challenging other's posts is good for the overall quality of CP content, so you are welcome to call it out.

That being said, there are numerous sources, that Blues only got interested after Fabbri went out for the season and their interest in Jagr was reportedly just "exploring all options". There was never any interest reported from other teams, quite contrary there were several quotes that Jagr wasn't getting much interest at all, reaffirmed by him being unsigned into October.


https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...season/sn-amp/

Nah, jagr chose Calgary because he wanted to play for a contender! one last shot at a cup! It wasn't because they had a ready-made roster spot for him in the top 9.

Also of note, there is no way the Flames having a ready made top 9 roster spot for a 45 year old guy is an indictment of the quality or depth of the roster.

If only GG had used Jagr effectively!

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Treliving was the only GM in the league who couldn't see that Jagr is done. You could argue, that signing Jagr was a risk worth taking, but 30 GMs disagree. It took Treliving some months to grasp what other GMs had seen from July 1st. The move itself may not necesserily be a disaster due to no acquisition cost, but the evidence is mounting that Treliving is arguably the worst pro evaluator in the game.

Low risk signing is a term that gets used a lot. That is fine and all, but if the end result is a bunch of poor quality players in your lineup then I’m not a fan.

The low risk signings/trades of Jagr, Glass, Stewart, Shore and Lack this year all look to be less than successful.

[Resolute 14]

The Flames weren't interested in Jagr in the summer either, Pointman, so that's not an argument in your favour. Also, the Blues' interest was far more than just "exploring all options". They offered Jagr a contract. Which he rejected in favour of Calgary. The point is: argue that Jagr didn't work. That's true. Argue that other low-end signings haven't worked. That's true. But don't manufacture claims that are patently untrue. It only undermines your arguments.