The trials and tribulations of Glen Gulutzan

[Badgers Nose]

Hartley used to say good goalie = good coach (i.e. a good goalie can make any coach look good).

GG has managed to make Epic goalie = bad coach.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The best was his post-game quote.

"We still have 100 points on the table."

Like, how deluded can you be? He still thinks that doing the same things that haven't worked in 158 games will result in success.

Whats that saying about the definition of insanity?

Doing the same thing but expecting different results?

But the Advanced Stats support him, so its all good. He will succeed. Eventually.

Shine on you crazy diamond!

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Hartley used to say good goalie = good coach (i.e. a good goalie can make any coach look good).

GG has managed to make Epic goalie = bad coach.

And the thing is, it isnt Smith's fault.

I mean, it is. But he just got back from a long injury and everyone is entitled to a bad night.

But Ol' Gul left him in there.

Unless Rittich was having a leg amputated why the hell didnt GG change something up?

I dont get it. Sometimes letting the starter hang in there and get slaughtered is worse than just yanking him on a bad day.

Its exactly what people criticize Gully for. He doesnt change. He doesnt adapt.

Hes like a driver whose car is suddenly going sideways in adverse weather and he just thinks to himself: "This is okay. It will right itself eventually."

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Locke

And the thing is, it isnt Smith's fault.

I mean, it is. But he just got back from a long injury and everyone is entitled to a bad night.

But Ol' Gul left him in there.

Unless Rittich was having a leg amputated why the hell didnt GG change something up?

I dont get it. Sometimes letting the starter hang in there and get slaughtered is worse than just yanking him on a bad day.

Its exactly what people criticize Gully for. He doesnt change. He doesnt adapt.

Hes like a driver whose car is suddenly going sideways in adverse weather and he just thinks to himself: "This is okay. It will right itself eventually."

That’s my point. GG is squandering one of Smith’s best years. Smith sees the clock ticking on his career has a great season and somehow we get these results.

This team should be Much better. We have a few of the NHLs best players. They need a coach to match the talent of the roster. GG is the coaching equivalent of Troy Brouwer.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

That’s my point. GG is squandering one of Smith’s best years. Smith sees the clock ticking on his career has a great season and somehow we get these results.

This team should be Much better. We have a few of the NHLs best players. They need a coach to match the talent of the roster. GG is the coaching equivalent of Troy Brouwer.

Wow. Yikes. Thats....thats not a good thing. I dont disagree.

[flambers]

In my mind, they have no choice but to fire the coaching staff.

In the off-season, this will be the move that makes sense.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Angelino

I don’t really blame Glue gun. It isn’t his fault he was offered a head coaching job in the NHL. He is not a good coach, I don’t think he ever was and most likely never will be. The real problem rests with whoever hired him and thought it was a good decision..

You can go back the the threads here the day he was hired. This was a guy that no other team has had interest in dating back to his firing in Dallas for a reason and there were plenty here that looked at what he did in Dallas and were not fans of the hiring. The hiring was always a leap of faith by the GM that Dallas was a learning experience and like some coaches they do much better their 2nd time around. Unfortunately the GM was not rewarded as this coach has learned nothing from Dallas and it's totally obvious he learned absolutely nothing from his first season with the Flames. There's no doubt in my mind if he was to come back for a 3rd season he would do things exactly the same as he did this season because he's totally and completely married to his theory that if he does things a certain way over and over eventually it will lead to success like beating your head into a wall will eventually cave in the wall for you to pass through even if you have little life left in your body by then.

He's not NHL head coaching material and it's been painfully obvious for a long time now. Nice guy and probably a great assistant coach to have in your staff and he was simply hired by the Flames for the wrong position.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

To be fair, our players are pretty average or sub average. On a night like tonight, it really shows what having only one or two high end players really gets you in this league.

They were dominant for the first half of the game.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by 4X4

The silence is almost deafening from the "not Gulutzan's fault" crowd. I'm sure many are trying to justify another spectacular exhibition of in-game management, but just haven't strung their words together yet.

This thread started two weeks into the season, and the same garbage has been happening since October 24th. Where are all the defenders now? Yep, it's still not his fault for not recognizing that his f-ing goalie is having a bad night. Nope. Play through it. It'll be fine. Just another loss. No point in trying something/ANYTHING.

Coach doesn't do much anyways, according to a few here (some of which hold power, so I better not get too bitchy). So WTF is the point of a coach, if he's too useless to adjust stagnant lines, try new things on a completely powerless powerplay, or pull a goalie that is CLEARLY having a bad night? Nope, let's just wait until he lets in a 6th, FFS.

The guy does not know what he's doing. It is clear as day. Pretty amusing that a couple of the defenders are gently trying to insert "well, he should be replaced" comments in other threads lately, after defending this assclown all year long.

What was obvious to so many back on October 24th, and well before that, is finally becoming clear to the rest. The roster certainly isn't perfect, but without someone managing what you've got, there's no point in shopping for more. Gulutzan is completely useless. The Flames are better off without a coach altogether.

I’ll respond since this seems to be addressed to me, among others.
I didn’t watch the game last night, and haven’t even seen the highlights, which is why I haven’t had anything to say.

And yes I’ve stated that I think the players ultimately hold more responsibility than the coach. And I’ve been consistent on that.


I’ve also said there are specific things that GG has struggled with including player utilization and special teams. And as the season has progressed the inability to correct those things has become a greater concern.

But at no point during the season did I say that they should or shouldn’t fire him. That’s never been my point. My point has always been about how much blame the coach gets relative to the players. In fact early in the season I said if they don’t make the playoffs they should consider fire him. So nothing is new in terms of me “inserting” something into my position.

But even if it is or was who cares? What on earth is wrong with people changing their view on thing as more information is gathered? Why would you mock people for doing that? I have more respect for someone who does that compared to someone who stubbornly holds onto a position or opinion no matter what.

Moreover, why so much anger over a hockey coach and those who defend him. We aren’t debating things that matter here like gay marriage or capital punishment. It’s a f’n hockey game and the guy behind the bench. So why is the first thing you feel need to do to go on a forum after a big loss and rip folks who happen to hold a different opinion than you? People CAN see something in a different way than you. I guess it probably is overall anger about the season and the need to direct it somewhere. But it is still brutal. We all don’t need to agree. You hate the coach and think he is primarily to blame? Good on you. Some others may feel different? So be it.



You want to call people out for having a different view? OK. I don't see why that's such a sin.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

We’re just not ready.

Nice hair though

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I’ll respond since this seems to be addressed to me, among others.
I didn’t watch the game last night, and haven’t even seen the highlights, which is why I haven’t had anything to say.

And yes I’ve stated that I think the players ultimately hold more responsibility than the coach. And I’ve been consistent on that.


I’ve also said there are specific things that GG has struggled with including player utilization and special teams. And as the season has progressed the inability to correct those things has become a greater concern.

But at not point during the season did I say that they should or shouldn’t fire him. That’s never been my point. My point has always been about how much blame the coach gets relative to the players. In fact early in the season I said if they don’t make the playoffs they should consider fire him. So nothing is new in terms of me “inserting” something into my position.

But even if it is or was who cares? What on earth is wrong with people changing their view on thing as more information is gathered? Why would you mock people for doing that? I have more respect for someone who does that compared to someone who stubbornly holds onto a position or opinion no matter what.

Moreover, why so much anger over a hockey coach and those who defend him. We aren’t debating things that matter here like gay marriage or capital punishment. It’s a f’n hockey game and the guy behind the bench. So why is the first thing you feel need to do to go on a forum after a big loss and rip folks who happen to hold a different opinion than you? People CAN see something in a different way than you. I guess it probably is overall anger about the season and the need to direct it somewhere. But it is still brutal. We all don’t need to agree. You hate the coach and think he is primarily to blame? Good on you. Some others may feel different? So be it.



You want to call people out for having a different view? OK. I don't see why that's such a sin.

The thing I do not get is if it is the players more than the coach, then Treliving should be fired. For the record, I think they are both bad.

But if we have traded 2 1sts, 4 2nds, a 3rd (Smith assuming we miss the playoffs), a 3rd and a 5th, a 2nd and another 2nd for a team that is on pace to finish 20th in the league (bottom third) that is a GM error, nobody blows that many picks to put together a 20th overall team (combine that with the fact that the Flames get to beat up on brutal opposition frequently being in arguably the weakest division in hockey) and it is a damning indictment on Treliving.

But Gully is equally poor if not worse. But I do not see a world where the GM put the right players in place and the coach used the players properly and you blow all your draft picks to build the team for this year and both the GM and the coach are good at their jobs and it is some extraneous factor that led to the result. I mean, good God this team has not even had any real injuries to any important players outside of Smith. This record is this team arguably performing at its best with as little bad luck as possible.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The thing I do not get is if it is the players more than the coach, then Treliving should be fired. For the record, I think they are both bad.

But if we have traded 2 1sts, 4 2nds, a 3rd (Smith assuming we miss the playoffs), a 3rd and a 5th, a 2nd and another 2nd for a team that is on pace to finish 20th in the league (bottom third) that is a GM error, nobody blows that many picks to put together a 20th overall team (combine that with the fact that the Flames get to beat up on brutal opposition frequently being in arguably the weakest division in hockey) and it is a damning indictment on Treliving.

But Gully is equally poor if not worse. But I do not see a world where the GM put the right players in place and the coach used the players properly and you blow all your draft picks to build the team for this year and both the GM and the coach are good at their jobs and it is some extraneous factor that led to the result. I mean, good God this team has not even had any real injuries to any important players outside of Smith. This record is this team arguably performing at its best with as little bad luck as possible.

what if the gm who hired the bad coach and makes the bad trades....is bad?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

what if the gm who hired the bad coach and makes the bad trades....is bad?

Then you have the 2018 Calgary Flames. It does take some of that trademark BT "wizardry" to burn that many picks and be the 20th best team in the league.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Moreover, why so much anger over a hockey coach and those who defend him. We aren’t debating things that matter here like gay marriage or capital punishment.

Oh please. "You can't be passionate about something because something else is more important" is just an awful, awful take. You should have just stopped ahead of that paragraph.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Oh please. "You can't be passionate about something because something else is more important" is just an awful, awful take. You should have just stopped ahead of that paragraph.

Passion and anger are not the same thing.

[Resolute 14]

And arguing semantics doesn't make that statement any better.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Then you have the 2018 Calgary Flames. It does take some of that trademark BT "wizardry" to burn that many picks and be the 20th best team in the league.

Think his wizardry was that he had a lot of people here (myself included) fooled that he was making great moves that weren't expected and made him a better GM than others.

That trademark is retired now. I'm now cautious with Treliving from here on out. He's not on the hot seat to me, but I'm not impressed as I was earlier in him. He has work to do to prove that he's a good GM and can make this team a contender.

[Flash Walken]

If missing the playoffs after career years from you best players, a hot goalie and trading a ####load of picks is the process, then the process sucks.

[taxbuster]

I seriously doubt that anything is going to happen to Tre. Certainly not yet. He gets ONE pass on a coach - and when he finally toasts GG he will need to think long and hard about how he goes about replacing him (as well as Cameron; Jerrard can likely stay) and the quality of coaching he wants to motivate and guide this team.

The ability and talent was there this year. Their usage was ... awful. Most of the time.

This will not be an easy off-season for Tre - and he should feel the heat, so he makes his next moves thoughtfully and doesn't go with a "gut" feel on an inexperienced coach.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

And arguing semantics doesn't make that statement any better.

They are completely different words with completely different meanings. Ain't semantics.
I didn't use the word passion. I used the word anger. Over people having a different view over a hockey decision.