The Future Outlook of our Forward Group?

[Macho0978]

Gaudreau - Monahan - Bennett/Ferland
Tkachuk - Backlund - UFA
Ferland/Bennett - Jankowski - Frolik
Hathaway - Shore - Brouwer/Lazar

Lazar/Brouwer

No way we can move Brouwer IMO this summer but if we walk away from expensive veteran forwards and maybe move Stone I don't see a cap issue to sign a good UFA or make another big trade in the summer

I also don't see major cap issues the following summer without something very major happening next season - Tkachuk gets 75+, Bennett gets 50+, Ferland gets 50+. If any or all of these happen then you buyout Brouwer and trade Frolik and replace them through the AHL because the Flames will be some good

[Beninho]

They need two legit top 6 forwards to become contenders. Right now the lines are incomplete with not nearly enough depth. One of the Dmen need to be traded to aquire another top 6 forward and make
room for our prospects. Brodie is the one I want traded, as he is charmin soft and the exact opposite of the type of player that will win you games in the playoffs. Team has become obsessed with acquiring Dmen through trades and the draft, time to get this sub-par forward group to a another level.

[klikitiklik]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

That’s not gonna do it. Calgary will have to offer him mcDavid money at a minimum and then he still wouldn’t want it because he probably doesn’t want the travel involved in being out west. Has no ties to the area, really think there is about 0.000000001% chance he signs here. Tre probably doesn’t even get that far down the road with him because he’d be basically making double the next highest paid flame and that’s not how we roll


I mean I too would love to sign him here I just don’t think it’s worth wasting our time discussing it

So you are saying there's a chance?

[SebC]

I could see Grabner being a Flames value target if they can't get a higher-profile forward (Tavares, Neal, Bailey).

[Duffalufagus]

Serious question: what about this season makes people think that Janko is a guy who will drive production next year?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Ideally you need two quality RWers but if you bring in a strong top 6 guy everyone re-slots as they should
So I still think you look at moving Brodie for a RW. Guy like Hoffman or Patches.
Then you look to the free agent class to see what you can get there. I would buy out Brouwer to clear room. The RW class isn't great though. Grabner is the best name out there and would be a good fit but could be a guy that gets overpaid. I would maybe look at Joel Ward as a 4th line guy.

So maybe you focus your trade on RW and then you look to free agency on the other side.
Top class guys (JVR, Neal, Sedin) are unlikely. Kane probably gets overpaid. Vanek isn't a fit.
So how about David Perron
Spit balling here.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Gaudreau - Monahan - Bennett/Ferland
Tkachuk - Backlund - UFA
Ferland/Bennett - Jankowski - Frolik
Hathaway - Shore - Brouwer/Lazar

Lazar/Brouwer

No way we can move Brouwer IMO this summer but if we walk away from expensive veteran forwards and maybe move Stone I don't see a cap issue to sign a good UFA or make another big trade in the summer

I also don't see major cap issues the following summer without something very major happening next season - Tkachuk gets 75+, Bennett gets 50+, Ferland gets 50+. If any or all of these happen then you buyout Brouwer and trade Frolik and replace them through the AHL because the Flames will be some good

I'd buy out Brouwer this summer, not next. It's a relatively cheap buyout.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Ideally you need two quality RWers but if you bring in a strong top 6 guy everyone re-slots as they should
So I still think you look at moving Brodie for a RW. Guy like Hoffman or Patches.
Then you look to the free agent class to see what you can get there. I would buy out Brouwer to clear room. The RW class isn't great though. Grabner is the best name out there and would be a good fit but could be a guy that gets overpaid. I would maybe look at Joel Ward as a 4th line guy.

So maybe you focus your trade on RW and then you look to free agency on the other side.
Top class guys (JVR, Neal, Sedin) are unlikely. Kane probably gets overpaid. Vanek isn't a fit.
So how about David Perron
Spit balling here.

I definitely think that if you move a D, it's Brodie - best combination of value plus a guy Calgary can play without. I'd target a guy with a couple years left with maybe some upside who the other team has concerns about re-signing. Hoffman, obviously. Maybe Connor Brown. I'd still look at Sam Reinhart, who has shown more lately.

[Toonage]

Despite the lack of RHS how comfortable would people be with this as a top 9

Gaudreau-Monahan-Ferland
Bennett-Jankowski-Tkachuk
Hoffman-Backlund-Frolik

As for the 4L, maybe a few rookies?

Mangiapane-Dube-??

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Despite the lack of RHS how comfortable would people be with this as a top 9

Gaudreau-Monahan-Ferland
Bennett-Jankowski-Tkachuk
Hoffman-Backlund-Frolik

As for the 4L, maybe a few rookies?

Mangiapane-Dube-??

I think (without seeing him play here) Shore fits the bottom 6. I always thought of him as useful on the Kings.

Unlike some, I think Dube has a real shot. IMO he has an NHL game and good IQ.

[Poe969]

Depends who the coach is. I'd like to see:

Gaudreau - Monahan - Bennett
Tkachuck - Janko - Ferland
Dube(?) - Backlund - Frolik
Lazar - Shore - Brouwer

Or something like that. Now if GG is back, Brouwer would be on one of the top 2 lines, Bennett would be fourth line center, shore would be on the wing and Janko would be on his off wing.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Is there any chance vegas lets the real deal go to free agency? He could basically be what we wanted brouwer to be

I bring it up because we need scoring. And no way the gm stands pat this offseason. Changes will be made

[Corral]

Originally Posted by Beninho

They need two legit top 6 forwards to become contenders. Right now the lines are incomplete with not nearly enough depth. One of the Dmen need to be traded to aquire another top 6 forward and make
room for our prospects. Brodie is the one I want traded, as he is charmin soft and the exact opposite of the type of player that will win you games in the playoffs. Team has become obsessed with acquiring Dmen through trades and the draft, time to get this sub-par forward group to a another level.

OK i don't agree with you re Brodie - but if you are correct how exactly does he get you the return of a legit top 6 forward? You and others seem to assume nobody scouts the Flames or somehow won't know this? You want to trade a Dman for a top 6 forward it is going to cost you either Hamilton or Hamonic.

[Toonage]

I have no doubt Brodie would get you a 1st from someone. Use that 1st in a package with Ottawa, for example, to get that forward.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

Serious question: what about this season makes people think that Janko is a guy who will drive production next year?

11 goals in 56 games is not awful for a rookie. Not a stretch to see him as a 20 goal guy, which maybe doesn't he drives production necessarily but he has good enough hands and hockey sense that he could play with talented wingers and put up points.

[Lanny_McDonald]

The outlook is just fine. A new coach that knows how to deploy his talent and use their strengths will be a huge benefit to all players. Moving a defenseman (Brodie) for another proven forward, then leveraging our defensive prospect depth, will greatly improve the team as well. I could see the team dipping into the free agent pool to grab a player as well.

Gaudreau-Monahan-Hoffman*
Tkachuk-Jankowski-Bennett
Ferland-Backlund-Frolik
Hathaway-Dube-Brower
Shore

Giordano-Hamilton
Kulak-Hamonic
Andersson-Stone
Kylington/FA Veteran

Smith
Rittich/Gillies

*Hoffman acquired for Brodie

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

I would keep Stewart as a 4th liner. Brouwer isnt going anywhere. Versteeg I would also consider keeping.

Too many post apex guys, that is not what the Flames need at all

Stewart’s last decent year was about 6 years ago, and he probably will hurt someone with his stupid sprint down the hallway.

Versteeg is what he is, a 10 goal 30 point guy, but does at least get under the skin of the other team

NSFW!

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Too many post apex guys, that is not what the Flames need at all

Stewart’s last decent year was about 6 years ago, and he probably will hurt someone with his stupid sprint down the hallway.

Versteeg is what he is, a 10 goal 30 point guy, but does at least get under the skin of the other team

NSFW!

Versteeg is a 15 goal guy, almost like clockwork. You have his assists about right.

[The Boy Wonder]

If there is a Seattle expansion draft next summer (2019) would we need to buy out Brouwer this offseason to make sure his NMC doesn’t kick in for that or is that a next spring priblem?

[MikePatton]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I would think you need to add 3 quality botom 6 forwards next season. That's if Bennett is the solution to the top line ( not convinced he is).

For me it goes deeper than just filling those spots . I feel the main core of the group has to much of a " nice guy locker room" feel to it. One of the reasons i would not have re-signed Backlund. Our 2 top 6 centers are "nice guys". I love our captain, but his partner, who is part of core is " Bouwmesteer the 2nd". I know posters hate the saying, but they are not " players that hate losing".

"Bouwmeester the second" would probably fetch a sweet return. Not that I want to trade him, but you'd be getting a quality forward back for sure.



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