2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Totally agree. The only thing that is worrying is that he is an anchor and sewers any line he is put on. Also GG over-uses him consistently and that is the real issue.

This is simply not true. Brouwer is used like a third line or fourth line player by GG. He is used on the PP when he should not be but that is a Cameron call Imo.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Insiders say this. He's supposedly a very funny guy and the players like him. In addition, it was apparent in the skills competition when the players interacted, which I saw. He's pretty similar to Versteeg in this. With Brouwer, this has been his rep for his career, not just Calgary.

You can tell when players like each other and when they merely tolerate the others as a teammate. It was obvious between Iggy and Conroy, Between Newy and Roberts. The opposite was palpable between Regher and Phaneuf. Fleury was a guy that teamates didn't seem to really cotton to.

Brouwer has also been known to call out players (i.e. Semin) for a lack of effort so I'd think he takes that seriously. In any event, his decline is not from lack of effort that I can see. He, like a lot of players of his ilk, has just hit a wall. Look at Lucic.

Wow he sounds like he's very tradeable.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Wow he sounds like he's very tradeable.

Didn't say he was. I'd criticize the signing but there was just no indication of his impending decline.

Is it so hard to fathom that a player can be (a) not very good but (b) still be trying hard and (c) popular with his teammates?

[Flash Walken]

It's difficult for me to think of a scenario where he isn't bought out.

I don't know if a 20 goal season at this point would be enough to save him.

The contract is absolutely awful when you consider some of the amazing cost saving deals the flames have currently (hamonic's stupid low cap hit, Mike Smith's salary retention from Arizona, the stupid value the flames are getting from Monahan and Gaudreau's deals, tkachuk producing outrageously on an ELC, etc, etc).

It's a bigger anchor contract at this point than Wideman was in his final two years, in my opinion, because the Flames can actually go for it right now.

Stajan/Brouwer is keeping a 7 or 8 million dollar top line player off the roster for Calgary right now. Stajan is fortunately gone at the end of the year, but if there is an opportunity to buy out brouwer and turn his 4.5 cap hit into 1.5, I think the organization will be strongly inclined towards the buyout.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

It's difficult for me to think of a scenario where he isn't bought out.

I don't know if a 20 goal season at this point would be enough to save him.

The contract is absolutely awful when you consider some of the amazing cost saving deals the flames have currently (hamonic's stupid low cap hit, Mike Smith's salary retention from Arizona, the stupid value the flames are getting from Monahan and Gaudreau's deals, tkachuk producing outrageously on an ELC, etc, etc).

It's a bigger anchor contract at this point than Wideman was in his final two years, in my opinion, because the Flames can actually go for it right now.

Stajan/Brouwer is keeping a 7 or 8 million dollar top line player off the roster for Calgary right now. Stajan is fortunately gone at the end of the year, but if there is an opportunity to buy out brouwer and turn his 4.5 cap hit into 1.5, I think the organization will be strongly inclined towards the buyout.

I've figured that was an easy call as well. Someone (I forget who) argued that, at that point, with only a year left, you don't do it unless you actually need that space. I think you don't necessarily know if you will need it before the season starts so do it asap.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Ummm, no. Wherever do you get that idea?

I am not arguing anything about moving Brouwer. I'm just commenting on the post about inconsistency. He's just getting old. Just like Ferland's inconsistency wasn't from lack of effort, but because he was young.

I get that idea because it's used by media and fans in many circumstances where a player is not cutting it on the ice. Stajan has also been referred to as popular in the room to name another recent use. It's silly.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

It's difficult for me to think of a scenario where he isn't bought out.

I don't know if a 20 goal season at this point would be enough to save him.

The contract is absolutely awful when you consider some of the amazing cost saving deals the flames have currently (hamonic's stupid low cap hit, Mike Smith's salary retention from Arizona, the stupid value the flames are getting from Monahan and Gaudreau's deals, tkachuk producing outrageously on an ELC, etc, etc).

It's a bigger anchor contract at this point than Wideman was in his final two years, in my opinion, because the Flames can actually go for it right now.

Stajan/Brouwer is keeping a 7 or 8 million dollar top line player off the roster for Calgary right now. Stajan is fortunately gone at the end of the year, but if there is an opportunity to buy out brouwer and turn his 4.5 cap hit into 1.5, I think the organization will be strongly inclined towards the buyout.

I would be fine with it and this really does make sense....I just can't see ownership being ok with another buyout from this GM. Especially one that has some term left to go along with what would be a fairly significant cap hit.

[SeanCharles]

Obviously I too hope they move him somehow, be it a buyout or trade with a chunk of salary retained.

Next season I'd like to see:

Gaudreau-Monahan-Ferland
Tkachuk-Backlund-Frolik
Bennett-Jankowski-*New Player*
Lomberg-Lazar-Hathaway

Dube and/or Mangiapane should be in the mix as well.

I wonder what will happen to the likes of Poirier, Shinkaruk and Klimchuk. H. Smith and Carroll probably won't be qualified but those three along with Wotherspoon have all made a case to be re-signed. Problem is they are continually being pushed down the depth charts with newer players passing them.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Didn't say he was. I'd criticize the signing but there was just no indication of his impending decline.

Is it so hard to fathom that a player can be (a) not very good but (b) still be trying hard and (c) popular with his teammates?

Results matter. Yippee his teammates like him.

Just stop trying to defend him. I'm sure he's a wonderful human being. The sooner the Flames get rid of him the better.

And remember: we have two more years of him getting worse.

Oh, and: https://flamesnation.ca/2016/07/01/w...or-the-flames/

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

It's difficult for me to think of a scenario where he isn't bought out.

I don't know if a 20 goal season at this point would be enough to save him.

The contract is absolutely awful when you consider some of the amazing cost saving deals the flames have currently (hamonic's stupid low cap hit, Mike Smith's salary retention from Arizona, the stupid value the flames are getting from Monahan and Gaudreau's deals, tkachuk producing outrageously on an ELC, etc, etc).

It's a bigger anchor contract at this point than Wideman was in his final two years, in my opinion, because the Flames can actually go for it right now.

Stajan/Brouwer is keeping a 7 or 8 million dollar top line player off the roster for Calgary right now. Stajan is fortunately gone at the end of the year, but if there is an opportunity to buy out brouwer and turn his 4.5 cap hit into 1.5, I think the organization will be strongly inclined towards the buyout.

We need money for Tkachuk.

[sureLoss]

Insider trading:
https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/insider...o-open~1327614

Oilers believe that if they trade Maroon they will be able to get a low 1st round pick for him.
Priority for Chiarelli is to get a top prospect instead, someone they can put in the line up next year.
Maroon's agent will talk to the Oilers in the next 24-48 hours and door is not completely closed on re-signing him but likely they trade him given the interest.
Jets, Bruins have shown interest - neither team wants to give up a 1st for Maroon but have the assets to be involved

between now and start of next season, Chiarelli wants to acquire a winger that can keep up with McDavid, a defenceman that can help the transition, and a goalie that will push Talbot

Niemi, Mrazek, Chad Johnson, Robin Lehner are potentially available for the Flyers after Elliott's injury.

Vanek expected to be 11th-hour deal.
Kane, Nash, Grabner, Maroon dominoes need to fall before teams become serious on Vanek

Canucks priority is to re-sign Gudbranson but if no extension, they will move him.

Teams looking for a veteran d-man may look at Josh Georges $3.9 mil cap hit but Sabres are willing to eat 50%'


2019 draft eligible Jack Hughes is impressing scouts so much that some say if he was eligible for the 2018 draft, he would be the only one to challenge Dahlin for 1st OA.

[genetic_phreek]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Insider trading:
https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/insider...o-open~1327614

Oilers believe that if they trade Maroon they will be able to get a low 1st round pick for him.
Priority for Chiarelli is to get a top prospect instead, someone they can put in the line up next year.
Maroon's agent will talk to the Oilers in the next 24-48 hours and door is not completely closed on re-signing him but likely they trade him given the interest.
Jets, Bruins have shown interest - neither team wants to give up a 1st for Maroon but have the assets to be involved

Chiarelli wants to acquire a winger that can keep up with McDavid, a defenceman that can help the transition, and a goalie that will push Talbot between now and start of next season

Niemi, Mrazek, Chad Johnson, Robin Lehner are potentially available for the Flyers after Elliott's injury.

Vanek expected to be 11th-hour deal.
Kane, Nash, Grabner, Maroon dominoes need to fall before teams become serious on Vanek

Canucks priority is to re-sign Gudbranson but if no extension, they will move him.

Teams looking for a veteran d-man may look at Josh Georges $3.9 mil cap hit but Sabres are willing to eat 50%'


2019 draft eligible Jack Hughes is impressing scouts so much that some say if he was eligible for the 2018 draft, he would be the only one to challenge Dahlin for 1st OA.

I sure hope the Jets don't do something crazy like trading Kristian Vesalainen for Patrick Maroon

[getbak]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

I sure hope the Jets don't do something crazy like trading Kristian Vesalainen for Patrick Maroon

Do they have any garbage former Oil Kings in their system?

[PegCityFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

I sure hope the Jets don't do something crazy like trading Kristian Vesalainen for Patrick Maroon

They won't. They can have Petan.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

IMO brouwer is the perfect example of a guy that you strong arm into accepting that sort of trade.
Waive or you'll be seeing a lot of bus action down in the AHL.

I would definitely trade this loser for bobby ryan.

Brouwer can't be put on waivers though.

[Oil Stain]

Maroon is like a fat man's Claude Lemieux.

His playoff stats are great in comparison to his regular season stats. A first seems a little high for him though.

Although stranger things have happened at the trade deadline. Paul Gaustad got a first in return somehow.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by codynw

Brouwer can't be put on waivers though.

Why not?

Only has a NTC. Doesn't have a NMC

[codynw]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Why not?

Only has a NTC. Doesn't have a NMC

Oh I thought he had a full NMC and it turned into a partial NTC after this season?

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by codynw

Oh I thought he had a full NMC and it turned into a partial NTC after this season?

Full NTC that turns into a partial NTC. If he had a NMC Flames would have had to protect him in last Summer's expansion draft.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

I get that idea because it's used by media and fans in many circumstances where a player is not cutting it on the ice. Stajan has also been referred to as popular in the room to name another recent use. It's silly.

Originally Posted by Shazam

Results matter. Yippee his teammates like him.

Just stop trying to defend him. I'm sure he's a wonderful human being. The sooner the Flames get rid of him the better.

And remember: we have two more years of him getting worse.

Oh, and: https://flamesnation.ca/2016/07/01/w...or-the-flames/

Stajan is popular. So what? No one is relating popularity to performance. I just mentioned it as evidence he isn't seen as lazy.

My only defence of Brouwer is that his issues don't appear to be laziness. I say his issues are that he's just not very good any more. That's not that much of a defence.