I know that a lot of the fun of this thread is to speculate. However, I think that it is prudent to reserve judgement on what the Flames should do until they've played a handful more games. After all, the Flames do play 11 games before the deadline.
True but I keep checking the news every morning now thinking that it would seem Treliving likes to get his work done ahead of the deadline.
A staring contest on prices may prevent that this year but I still have a feeling we see a move sooner rather than later.
True but I keep checking the news every morning now thinking that it would seem Treliving likes to get his work done ahead of the deadline.
A staring contest on prices may prevent that this year but I still have a feeling we see a move sooner rather than later.
This is true, still, after the Flames play 7 of those 11 games. There will still be more than a week for BT to work with. Quite a bit can happen in seven games. and more than a few deals can be made a week before the deadline. I say its much to early to have an opinion on what the Flames should do down the stretch.
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I know it was already mentioned but when you consider their age and that Stone is just entering his prime while Simmonds is just about on the back-nine while needing a new contract.... it's a pretty easy decision if it were that simple.
Also Stone's advanced numbers (if you subscribe to that sort of business...) are among the best in the league. No offense to Simmonds, but Stone is a top tier player in the league who is still young and huge. Add to that he's a western canadian boy (Manitoba) and we have his big bro, I think he'd be the best fit possible. It will certainly cost a lot.
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When I was a kid, right handed people shot right. That's what I did and still do. Golf as well. For some reason it changed, I think sometime in the 90s. Someone decided that your dominant hand should be at the end of the stick, they say for control in stickhandling (although my stickhandling was always controlled by my pivot hand - the right in my case - if it's good enough for Mario, it's good enough for me).
Going "opposite" hand also leaves your strong hand on the stick when poking or sweeping one handed.
I don't think it changed in the 90s, hockey has always been dominated by left hand shots. In Canada and Russia at least.
One argument was that, when you hold the stick with one hand, it should be your dominant hand (RH). Also helps for stickhandling. In the US, they have mostly taken the opposite approach: bottom hand should be your dominant hand, for shooting purposes.
Thus, lots of righties from the US, Canada dominated by lefties.
Stone is younger, has already matched (and bested) Simmonds highest point total seasons (60 points) one while being a rookie. He is an RFA so Treliving would be able to get him at a good number ~ especially with his brother in the fold here. Simmonds has a pretty good contract but his numbers have dipped this year and he's turning 30 years old next year and with it being probably his biggest contract year in his career he will be looking to get paid the following off-season and is a UFA.
Don't get me wrong ~ I'd love Simmonds on this team; I prefer his rough and tumble play versus Stone's ~ but considering all the factors I wouldn't want him at the cost of Bennett and Brodie who are still young and harness growing potential in their respective positions where as Simmonds has peaked and is even experiencing his first signs of declining.
Stone fits the age group, fits the greatest need, has ties to the team and would instantly become our top line RW while getting another crack at the playoffs.
I think Treliving is waiting this road trip out though.. we've been a road team all year and if we can assert a stellar record on this trip we could be going into the trade deadline looking to add a final piece to help push this team over the top.
Stone would be a dream fit in terms of what we're looking for... but sadly I think Ottawa has as much interest in moving him as we do Tkachuk. As a result the price tag would probably be about the same.
Stone would be a dream fit in terms of what we're looking for... but sadly I think Ottawa has as much interest in moving him as we do Tkachuk. As a result the price tag would probably be about the same.
Bennett + Brodie is a damn good start; a top goalie prospect in Gillies plus removal of Phaneuf's salary just might be enough to entice them to move out Stone who is an RFA to boot.
Bennett
Brodie
Stajan
Gillies
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Stone
15% Retained Phaneuf
To me that's very close and with them risking the loss of Karlsson having a guy like Brodie helps them moving forward.
To the guys making the Sens/Flames proposals, how certain are we that Phaneuf would waive his NTC/NMC to come back to Calgary?
Not certain enough I guess but honestly ~ he's 32 now, running out of opportunity and it looks like Ottawa is going full reload if not mini rebuild. He wouldn't have to be the guy he was when he started here and that's good for Dion. PP point shot, 4th D minutes, he could play a steady game on the backend and not have to worry about being THE guy for creating offence from the D with the likes of Gio and Hamilton up front. Do I want Phaneuf over Brodie ~ never; I'm taking Brodie every time ~ but when Stone is part of the conversation I consider taking Dion back to offset the load and also sweeten the deal in the eyes of Ottawa when considering moving Stone in the first place.
It would be a good gamble IMO and from the proposal I played out I don't think too much more needs to be added either way for it to be a likely trade. It all depends on the next stretch of games, it will really help determine the buyers, the sellers and who is willing to go all in. Stone is all in for Calgary IMO.
After the deadline:
Gaudreau - Monahan - Stone
Tkachuk - Backlund - Ferland
Versteeg - Jankowski - Frolik
Hathaway - Lazar - Brouwer
Extras: Hrivik, Lomberg, Mangiapane, Jagr potentially to call on.
Giordano - Hamilton
Phaneuf - Hamonic
Kulak - Stone
Bartkowski
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I don't think it changed in the 90s, hockey has always been dominated by left hand shots. In Canada and Russia at least.
One argument was that, when you hold the stick with one hand, it should be your dominant hand (RH). Also helps for stickhandling. In the US, they have mostly taken the opposite approach: bottom hand should be your dominant hand, for shooting purposes.
Thus, lots of righties from the US, Canada dominated by lefties.
Just to emphasize this.
Go look at that 72 Summit series roster of the Soviets.
26 players participated in one or more of the 8 contests.
Micheal Stone is a player that helps your team get far in the playoffs. However he is like a Kris Russel, he could fetch us more that most people would value him at and we have the defensive depth in Anderson and Kulak to fill his role.
No chance the Flames would be actively trying to ship Stone off. He's here to stay.
Not certain enough I guess but honestly ~ he's 32 now, running out of opportunity and it looks like Ottawa is going full reload if not mini rebuild. He wouldn't have to be the guy he was when he started here and that's good for Dion. PP point shot, 4th D minutes, he could play a steady game on the backend and not have to worry about being THE guy for creating offence from the D with the likes of Gio and Hamilton up front. Do I want Phaneuf over Brodie ~ never; I'm taking Brodie every time ~ but when Stone is part of the conversation I consider taking Dion back to offset the load and also sweeten the deal in the eyes of Ottawa when considering moving Stone in the first place.
It would be a good gamble IMO and from the proposal I played out I don't think too much more needs to be added either way for it to be a likely trade. It all depends on the next stretch of games, it will really help determine the buyers, the sellers and who is willing to go all in. Stone is all in for Calgary IMO.
Two things are wrong with this assessment. 1. Flames wouldn't want to pay that price
2. Ottawa likely still doesn't do this based on the price they / Sakic set for young forwards earlier this year
I may be part of the minority on this but I wouldn't want Mark Stone. He's got good hockey IQ but I don't feel he has that explosiveness or dangerous type attribute. He reminds me more of a Monahan which we already have.
Most I would pay for Grabner is Poirier or Shinkaruk. Dude has 6 ENs this year, his totals are inflated. Like what was said earlier, he wouldn't move the needle so there's no point.
Holy crap, looking at his stats I can see why there should be some trepidation into the idea that Grabner "would be our third highest scorer".
"21 goal scorer so far this year!!" is making teams and fans take notice, but when you remove empty netters and add his assists in, he's basically got 15 goals and 5 assists for 20 points.
I may be part of the minority on this but I wouldn't want Mark Stone. He's got good hockey IQ but I don't feel he has that explosiveness or dangerous type attribute. He reminds me more of a Monahan which we already have.
We need more fast players in my opinion.
It sounds like you haven't seen Stone play. He isn't slow, and is one of the most complete players in the game. He is an elite defensive forward while making everyone around him better.
I may be part of the minority on this but I wouldn't want Mark Stone. He's got good hockey IQ but I don't feel he has that explosiveness or dangerous type attribute. He reminds me more of a Monahan which we already have.
We need more fast players in my opinion.
Yeah, it would sure suck to have another player like Monahan. Hopefully Brad isn't looking for another Hamilton or Tkachuk either. It's all about one of everything, two is too much!
