Practice notes Feb 2nd: new PP units?

[HUSKER4FLAMES]

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[The Boy Wonder]

Finally! Hopefully they can start rolling with this. Who is on the 2nd unit?

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Finally! Hopefully they can start rolling with this. Who is on the 2nd unit?

They'll never see the ice as the power-play will already be over

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Finally! Hopefully they can start rolling with this. Who is on the 2nd unit?

If it's the same format as the first, I'm guessing:

Backlund - Jankowski - Ferland
Brodie - Stone

[calumniate]

Needs more Brouwer.. lol

[Jiri Hrdina]

I think part of the PP woes is that Johnny isn't a great offensive player once things are set up in the offensive zone. He is a dangerous player in transition - elite in fact. But in terms of what he does once things are set up - he is not elite. So the guy that stirs the drink - just isn't that good at it. They need someone else to be the on-ice general for powerplays because I don't think that guy is Johnny. And it isn't Monahan (trigger man). Perhaps Versteeg was playing some of that role which is why it has been missed.

It isn't a criticism of Johnny because he does so much else better. But I think the organization felt he would be the key PP guy. And I don't know that he is.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

I think part of the PP woes is that Johnny isn't a great offensive player once things are set up in the offensive zone. He is a dangerous player in transition - elite in fact. But in terms of what he does once things are set up - he is not elite. So the guy that stir the drink - just isn't that good at it. They need someone else to be the on-ice general for powerplays because I don't think that guy is Johnny. And it isn't Monahan (trigger man). Perhaps Versteeg was playing some of that role which is why it has been missed.

It isn't a criticism of Johnny because he does so much else better. But I think the organization felt he would be the key PP guy. And I don't know that he is.

I agree with this. I find he loses some of his creativity when locked into the set structure of a powerplay and doens't seem to be able to really get things going.

I have also noticed that when the puck starts moving around quickly or a loose puck is retrieved, he often makes unexpected passes, which would turn out brilliantly, except his teammates are often not ready for his super quick or unexpected pass and then they slow things down again or find themselves off balance and not ready to shoot quickly.

[Flamesfan2010]

Originally Posted by Hey Connor, It's Mess

Could we maybe one-time the puck every once in a while? That would be great, thanks.

One timers aren't how you score goals according to Gulutzan

[Beninho]

For the love of god keep using this unit , if it doesn’t work the first game keep trying it and let them work it out.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

I think part of the PP woes is that Johnny isn't a great offensive player once things are set up in the offensive zone. He is a dangerous player in transition - elite in fact. But in terms of what he does once things are set up - he is not elite. So the guy that stir the drink - just isn't that good at it. They need someone else to be the on-ice general for powerplays because I don't think that guy is Johnny. And it isn't Monahan (trigger man). Perhaps Versteeg was playing some of that role which is why it has been missed.

It isn't a criticism of Johnny because he does so much else better. But I think the organization felt he would be the key PP guy. And I don't know that he is.

I disagree, Johnny has thrived on the PP , I think their utilization of him has been poor and I think his shot choices have been horrendous on the PP.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan2010

One timers aren't how you score goals according to Gulutzan

Actually, I think this is what you're thinking of:

[flames_fan13]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan2010

One timers aren't how you score goals according to Gulutzan

We really don't have a person who has a good one timer. We have players who have strong wrist shots, but I'm not sure if anyone has a strong enough slapshot to be a threat for one timers. Didn't Gaudreau only score his first slapshot goal this season. Monahan, Giordano, Brodie and Gaudreau are all players who rely on wrist shots more than slap shots. Even Hamilton doesn't really take much slap shots. I guess Stone could be an option if he played the Powerplay.

[Flamesfan2010]

Originally Posted by flames_fan13

We really don't have a person who has a good one timer. We have players who have strong wrist shots, but I'm not sure if anyone has a strong enough slapshot to be a threat for one timers. Didn't Gaudreau only score his first slapshot goal this season. Monahan, Giordano, Brodie and Gaudreau are all players who rely on wrist shots more than slap shots. Even Hamilton doesn't really take much slap shots. I guess Stone could be an option if he played the Powerplay.

I was just talking about when Gulutzan said you don't score with one timers from the point. But I think Monahan has a pretty good one timer, he just doesn't use it often. They really just need to move the puck faster and be better at retrieving it after they take a shot.

[flames_fan13]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan2010

I was just talking about when Gulutzan said you don't score with one timers from the point. But I think Monahan has a pretty good one timer, he just doesn't use it often. They really just need to move the puck faster and be better at retrieving it after they take a shot.

Fair enough I hadn't heard that quote, so was just responding to the option of one timers.

[FBI]

Ferland is ok at one timers

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Locke

This is part of what drives me insane with Gulutzan, he is so adamant that hes the smartest guy in the room that he will not adapt.

'Trying something new' and 'changing things up' and 'adapting' are the same things.

If you do the same thing over and over and over again, guess what? The other guy has figured out how to stop it, or make it less effective, or whatever.

There is no 'Magic Bullet' that works all the time. The NHL is about adaptation.

Look no further than Alexander Ovechkin. He was a one-trick pony for a while, he got figured out and he adapted. Its why hes one of the best players in the League.

Same with Crosby. He was a passer. Then he started shooting. He was a terrible face-off man, then he got good at it. He adapted to how others were playing him.

Our coach doesnt even change up the goddamned penalty killers.

Exactly! Gallant did it in the VGK game, noticed the change they needed to make to take the play from the Flames and use their system against them, came back in the 3rd and won. GG stuck with his system, refused to adjust and lost.

Game against the bolts, Cooper did the same thing. Combine that with an off night from Smith and that game got ugly fast. GG refused to adjust his system.

One could argue that the 4 OT losses were the same thing leading up to the blow outs and before the break, the flames were lucky that no one caught on to the system and made the in game adjustment to counter the Flames system or did and the Flames narrowly escaped with wins for 7 games in a row?

Moral is, GG refused to change systems and adjust in game while other coaches are doing exactly that, knowing GG wont adjust and the Flames simply lose the coaching game in the 3rd?

Thats the way im seeing things..

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

If it's the same format as the first, I'm guessing:

Backlund - Jankowski - Ferland
Brodie - Stone

I wouldnt mind seeing

Backlund - Jankowski - Bennett

Stone - Ferland ( has a helluva shot and can play D quite well and knows how to move the puck)

[savardandjokinen]

What I want for 2nd

Bennett/Janko-Backlund-Ferland
Stone-Brodie (or vice versa)

What I expect

Brouwer
Backlund-Janko/Bennett-Ferland
Brodie

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Exactly! Gallant did it in the VGK game, noticed the change they needed to make to take the play from the Flames and use their system against them, came back in the 3rd and won. GG stuck with his system, refused to adjust and lost.

Game against the bolts, Cooper did the same thing. Combine that with an off night from Smith and that game got ugly fast. GG refused to adjust his system..

What systematic changes did those coaches make?

[Hey Connor, It's Mess]

Originally Posted by HUSKER4FLAMES

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