The trials and tribulations of Glen Gulutzan

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Haha, he references Hartley's rush defense and defending the middle of the ice effectively.

Starts around 16 mins.

I personally like the managing the dots method better.
He even says thats the way he did teach the d with great success untill Willie D convinced him that the slide was a better method

[calgarywinning]

Bunk and I agreed tonight that the Bouwerplay is our new Powerplay!

BtW I told him I was gonna get a little on the sauce and post when I got home.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Haha, he references Hartley's rush defense and defending the middle of the ice effectively.

Starts around 16 mins.

In fairness, Hartley’s team eliminated his in the playoffs

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

In fairness, Hartley’s team eliminated his in the playoffs

That's why I laughed. He says " Calgary beat us out. Maybe we're dumb, they're smart"

[taco.vidal]

GlueGun is totally lost and grasping at straws now. He is out of his element coaching an NHL team. This season was still salvagable if he had been fired before Christmas. Now its over.

We need a FIRE GLUEGUN GULUTZAN thread. This trials and tribulations garbage isnt strong enough to show what now a growing number of fans know needs to happen with this team.

If Tree does nothing, he is giving up on the season. Its showing the players its OK to give up. The rest of this season is gonna be ugly with a dud coach at the helm.

[Duffalufagus]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

GlueGun is totally lost and grasping at straws now. He is out of his element coaching an NHL team. This season was still salvagable if he had been fired before Christmas. Now its over.

We need a FIRE GLUEGUN GULUTZAN thread. This trials and tribulations garbage isnt strong enough to show what now a growing number of fans know needs to happen with this team.

If Tree does nothing, he is giving up on the season. Its showing the players its OK to give up. The rest of this season is gonna be ugly with a dud coach at the helm.

Who would you bring in to save the season?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

Who would you bring in to save the season?

It no longer matters at this point. If you were trying to save the season you make the move before Christmas. This is now becoming a bid to save the wasting of personnel by making them bad hockey players. Gulutzan's slide is about as effective as the Eakins swarm. Continuing to reinforce the Gully Gap for players is just establishing a bad habit that will take more time to break when you hire the next coach. This is no longer about saving the season, this is about saving the players from ruination.

[Infinit47]

Can we have the fire GG poll back?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Friedman on the Fan this morning had a great discussion with the guys. He feels that firing the coach is a last resort for BT - that he would only do that if backed into a corner, and if he was unable to make a move elsewhere.
He also admitted that the team isn't as good as their individual parts - that they should be better.
Interesting to hear a perspective from outside the market.

Rhett pushing to deal Brodie to re-coup some futures
Pinder pushing to address the RW spot: Nash brought up as a name (yuck).

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

GlueGun is totally lost and grasping at straws now. He is out of his element coaching an NHL team. This season was still salvagable if he had been fired before Christmas. Now its over.

We need a FIRE GLUEGUN GULUTZAN thread. This trials and tribulations garbage isnt strong enough to show what now a growing number of fans know needs to happen with this team.

If Tree does nothing, he is giving up on the season. Its showing the players its OK to give up. The rest of this season is gonna be ugly with a dud coach at the helm.

Except after Christmas is where this team figured it out and went on a 7 game win streak (11 game point streak). Would you just expect a brand new coach to come in do better? Yeah fire and hire and new coach and we never lose again. That’s how it all normally goes.

If Treliving does nothing, it’s because he believes in the coach and also because he’s already burned tons of assets on mediocre players like Hamonic, Lazar and Stone. You’d think with an unprotected 1st rounder, 3 x 2nd rounders, a 3rd rounder and a 5th rounder that they’d turn out to be better than forgettable spare parts.

[kyuss275]

Take your pick CP: GG or Cameron? That's prety much your 2 choices. No chance they hire a veteran coach when there is a chance on some good names coming out this summer. No they are not putting in f***** Gelinas as head coach.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Except after Christmas is where this team figured it out and went on a 7 game win streak (11 game point streak). Would you just expect a brand new coach to come in do better? Yeah fire and hire and new coach and we never lose again. That’s how it all normally goes.

If Treliving does nothing, it’s because he believes in the coach and also because he’s already burned tons of assets on mediocre players like Hamonic, Lazar and Stone. You’d think with an unprotected 1st rounder, 3 x 2nd rounders, a 3rd rounder and a 5th rounder that they’d turn out to be better than forgettable spare parts.

11 wins in 24 games. But keep cherry picking two win streaks from two seasons as justification for keeping this coach. GG admits Desjardins changed his mind on how to play D, and clearly his line rolling was also a product of Desjardins. Where is Desjardins now?

[transplant99]

Yeah I asked the same question last night....so you want to fire the coach/coaches, who do you replace them with?

Lindy Ruff was one answer and of course Darryl was the other.

Lindy has been to the SC once in 19 seasons, made the playoffs 10 times.

We all know about Sutter, but I doubt that Treliving wants a guy that coaches that style of game, but more notably is this club is not constructed for it. I also have to believe that Sutter may have some serious reservations about coming back to the guys that already fired him once, but who knows.

Then on top of all that....you have to give whomever you sign at least a 3 year deal. That's how it works. So whoever you bring in, is here for at least 2 seasons.

If you are going to make the change, why would you not just wait until the off season when you go from having 3 or 4 choices, to having probably well over 200? As the vast majority of upgrades are under contract right now and no one is giving them a chance to leave mid season, thats the only logical choice...no?

Some mention giving Ryan Huska a shot. OK, well for one thing you really have to be careful with your prospect base and upheaval in their development by yanking their coach away. Though its may be a seamless transition, there is a real chance you screw with their heads too. More importantly however, Huska employs the exact same system as Gulutzan from what I understand, so why would the results be drastically different?

I am not against making a change if the need exists. I am against making a change ... just because. If it's time for a new voice for this club, OK let's do that. But let's do that when we have the right guy available and ready to jump in from the start of the season.

[kukkudo]

30 games left just ride it out at this point. Fingers crossed either Quenneville, Vigneault, or maybe even Trotz becomes available. Now that is if ownership is willing to pay up.

[Locke]

Either Gulutzan is trolling all of us (inexplicably) with his 'Worst Coach in the League' routine or he isnt. Either way, we lose.

[automaton 3]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Take your pick CP: GG or Cameron? That's prety much your 2 choices. No chance they hire a veteran coach when there is a chance on some good names coming out this summer. No they are not putting in f***** Gelinas as head coach.

My guess is they'd ask Tippet to finish out the year.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

GlueGun is totally lost and grasping at straws now. He is out of his element coaching an NHL team. This season was still salvagable if he had been fired before Christmas. Now its over.

We need a FIRE GLUEGUN GULUTZAN thread. This trials and tribulations garbage isnt strong enough to show what now a growing number of fans know needs to happen with this team.

If Tree does nothing, he is giving up on the season. Its showing the players its OK to give up. The rest of this season is gonna be ugly with a dud coach at the helm.

I would rather have a thread that focus's on quality discussion and not rehashing a "Should we Fire GG thread". It's already evident some people want him fired.

I think GG has done some good things and when the Flames play well
things look promising; However small things like the PP not clicking and glaring mistakes in the third period can easily rattle a young team team struggling with confidence. Personally I think the Flames should have addressed the PP issues sooner. Sooner or later failure on the PP was going play into the mental makeup. The team seems to be playing well for 2 periods but struggling as the third period wears on.

Wouldn't mind seeing a thread on exactly why we are struggling in the 3rd period, and some solutions. Are we squeezing sticks, taking our foot off the pedal or playing not to lose? Whats wrong with the third period that goes right with the first 2?

[SuperMatt18]

Thinking about it these last couple games and one thing that is really standing out to me with this roster - and it's been this way for most of GG tenure here - is the fact that they play scared/afraid.

For the most part the 5v5 systems are fine, utilization could be improved but IMO it's not the reason we lose any games, to me the deciding factor for this team is they play scared and overthink every decision they make.

Scared to make a mistake.
Scared to not make the perfect shot.
Scared to take a penalty.
Scared that they will make the wrong play.

We've seen it each of these last two games. Frolik is scared to give possession away double clutches on the pass and boom tie game. Same thing with Bennett last night, instead of making the safe play he overthinks it and once again it's a tie game.

I also think it's the root cause of some of the issues with this teams PP. They are afraid to make those "risky" cross seam passes, afraid to get caught in an odd man rush, which is why our PPs are mostly just around the perimeter and we don't outnumber other teams down low.

And really it makes no sense to me. Gulutzan isn't a hard assed coach all over these guys any time they make a mistake, they don't get sat if they make a mistake, they are all just putting this pressure on themselves in their own heads.

I'm not sure how they fix it though. They have struggled going on 3 years now with the expectations of being a "contender". Every time people start talking about them in that vein, or they are expected to be a playoff team they just collapse.

Really even back in 14/15 they struggled with it. They were good when they were written off to start the year, went on a 9 game losing streak once they had any expectations, then when they had to fight back after that as "underdogs" went on a tear again.

Maybe it's just the make up of the core of this team. They don't seem to do well with the pressure that comes with being the front runner, they need to have that "underdog that nobody believes in" mentality to drive them.

- Giordano: Underdog who had to fight for every inch to make it to the NHL
- Brodie: Same thing - 4th round pick that was overlooked
- Gaudreau: Told he's small his whole life and had an underdog mentality
- Ferland: Fought adversity his whole life
- Backlund: Peaked after pretty much being written off as a prospect, struggled with high expectations early in his career.
- Bennett: Kind of had a plucky underdog feel to him in junior, and when he had no expectations as "18 yr old Sam Bennett" but has fallen flat on his face anytime he's expected to take the next step.

Outside of Monahan those are the only players left since the 14/15 playoffs and they are the "core" make up of this roster.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by automaton 3

My guess is they'd ask Tippet to finish out the year.

You can't just have Tippet finish out the season. He would want a bare minimum of a 3 year contract. As i said before, no chance they hire a veteran coach until they see what is available this summer.

[automaton 3]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

You can't just have Tippet finish out the season. He would want a bare minimum of a 3 year contract. As i said before, no chance they hire a veteran coach until they see what is available this summer.

Yeah maybe? I see him as a trusted and familiar go-to for Treliving (and Maloney) and someone that they might have some success in convicing to come in to help.

I agree, the choices aren't great. The time to make an effective coaching change for this season has already passed.