The trials and tribulations of Glen Gulutzan

[Otto-matic]

#Flames PP1:
Tkachuk
Gaudreau-Monahan-Brouwer
Giordano
PP2:
Bennett-Backlund-Ferland
Hamilton-Brodie

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Realtor 1

Would it not be a hell of a spark if you could get a guy like Gelinas to coach for the remainder of the season before assessing options in the off season? A short term spark from a guy who knows what it takes and is almost like one of the boys but on a very senior level. It could also help with a more honest put back to upper management on what the room is like and what sort of coach is needed moving forward.

Even to just run the PP, this would be an improvement.
A) He can't be any worse
B) Who better to instruct the team (from the bench) on how to close out a win?

[redforever]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

My intention was to reference how he behaves in game. He talks to the players less than any coach in recent memory, as demonstrated clearly last night where their GG coached continuously and our GG did not.

There was an incredibly obvious need for a time out last night after that strange play deflated the Flames. Instead of looking at his players to see what was going on he stared more at he replay monitor to presumably break down the X angle O's of what happened.. The announcers were talking about how phased the players we're, and they are in the rafters.

The guy is a dud of a coach. You can disect what went wrong on video for hours after the game. In the game, let your war room tell you if it's off side and focus on your players.

This.

I have taken particular note of how GG interacts with the players at any games I have attended or any games I have watched on TV.

He is like a robot behind the bench. It is almost like he has told the players "just keep with the rotation while I check things out on my iPad"

And what do we see? Basically the same lines, same power play, same comments after game...and the list goes on.

He reminds me of that shy kid who likes to immerse himself in books rather than interact with people.

[Travis Munroe]

Wasn't Hathaway, Bennett and Jankowski a force before Brouwer received a promotion? Then Bennett started to struggle again which I believe is because he forgot what was giving him success and that was the in your face smash mouth hockey. When that line was on the ice, they were hitting everything in site which led to forcing turnovers and scoring. They started to score and tried to get back to being pretty.

Hathaway needs to be pulled aside and reminded what his role is. His crash and bang spurred Bennett to follow suit and we even saw Jankowski mixing it up with guys. Hathaway playing his game is the key to that line.

Brouwer may be playing better but he isn't the key to any line so while they want to reward him, there is no point in hurting any other lines in the process.

[Travis Munroe]

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[GeoRock]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

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Of course we don't alter the lineups.

Stay the course! Yikes. It's hard to watch as a fan but maybe they'll come out angry. I really really want to see us light it up on Thursday.

[Hey Connor, It's Mess]

People are going to be awfully disappointed when this group doesn't do any better with a different coach.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Hey Connor, It's Mess

People are going to be awfully disappointed when this group doesn't do any better with a different coach.

If that’s the case then at least we know it is Trelvings fault for creating a flawed roster and pushing in our chips to win now on the wrong peices. I think Treliving has overvalued some parts of our team while undervaluing other certain needs, the fact that they were reportedly cooling on the idea of bringing in another top 6 winger because Ferland has been streaky proves that. I really like Ferland and think he’s growing as a player but If he’s your best RW there’s a problem.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Hey Connor, It's Mess

People are going to be awfully disappointed when this group doesn't do any better with a different coach.

Well, this batch of coaches isn't doing anything with this group of talent. So, why not try something else?

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Hey Connor, It's Mess

People are going to be awfully disappointed when this group doesn't do any better with a different coach.

Agree with this wholeheartedly. Treliving took his time finding Gulutzan because he ticked all the boxes. If Gulutzan is fired, another similar guy will probably be the replacement. I’m not convinced a completely different coach would do anything at all either.

Coaching in today’s game is basically identical. There’s barely any variation at all. Coaches all demand lines to defend well, stay structured and then transition to score. Powerplays and penalty kills are all the same as well. Teams all seemingly play the 1-3-1 these days and penalty kills all defend it the same.

I just don’t see how bringing in a new coach changes anything at all. Do certain players or the powerplay just magically learn how to put a puck in the net? Just don’t see it happening.

[sun]

So the Flames give up a tying goal with 2 mins left in the 3rd because Frolik dun goofed.

Camera pans to the bench and there is the head coach. He's not rallying the troops, he's not preparing for the puck drop, he's not gauging the body language of the guys on the ice, he's not contemplating a time out - he's desperately staring at the ipad between his feet, praying someone's toe was offside.

I don't understand this for the optics of the fan alone, much less player management. No one wants to see the Boss on the bench hanging his head after every goal against, regardless if he's gazing at his shoelaces or the slow-mo overhead angle. Delegate that to your assistants and keep your head up for crying out loud.

Such a minor thing but the optics are so so bad. Particularly when the gamewinning goal against is scored 10 seconds later.

[dustygoon]

Is brouwer really going back on PP1?

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Agree with this wholeheartedly. Treliving took his time finding Gulutzan because he ticked all the boxes. If Gulutzan is fired, another similar guy will probably be the replacement. I’m not convinced a completely different coach would do anything at all either.

Coaching in today’s game is basically identical. There’s barely any variation at all. Coaches all demand lines to defend well, stay structured and then transition to score. Powerplays and penalty kills are all the same as well. Teams all seemingly play the 1-3-1 these days and penalty kills all defend it the same.

I just don’t see how bringing in a new coach changes anything at all. Do certain players or the powerplay just magically learn how to put a puck in the net? Just don’t see it happening.

I think the biggest box he checked was his salary requirements. They didn't even call Bruce Boudreau...way to be thorough.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Well, this batch of coaches isn't doing anything with this group of talent. So, why not try something else?

Team could become worse. That’s a possibility. The coaching staff did lead this group to the playoffs and is in a similar boat this year.

All you have to do is look the Oilers as a potential scenario. Dallas Eakins was seen as a terrible coach after his tenure. Then an experienced coach in Todd McLellen took over and the Oilers were still terrible in his first year despite having McDavid in the lineup. After a season in which everything goes right for them, they’re back in the basement once again.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Hey Connor, It's Mess

People are going to be awfully disappointed when this group doesn't do any better with a different coach.

Respectfully disagree. With our talent I think we thrive under a "non-GG system" (I could describe it in a few paragraphs but everyone knows what I mean).

OT: The one player I am really concerned about right now is Monahan. He needs to sit until he works out whatever it is that is bothering him.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Agree with this wholeheartedly. Treliving took his time finding Gulutzan because he ticked all the boxes. If Gulutzan is fired, another similar guy will probably be the replacement. I’m not convinced a completely different coach would do anything at all either.

Coaching in today’s game is basically identical. There’s barely any variation at all. Coaches all demand lines to defend well, stay structured and then transition to score. Powerplays and penalty kills are all the same as well. Teams all seemingly play the 1-3-1 these days and penalty kills all defend it the same.

I just don’t see how bringing in a new coach changes anything at all. Do certain players or the powerplay just magically learn how to put a puck in the net? Just don’t see it happening.

While this is generally true at a 40 thousand foot level, it is all about the difference at the margins. While systems are largely similar, coaches can, and do, have a significant impact on their team.

Anyone who could watch last night's game and not see the difference in the coaching, simply doesn't understand what coaching is.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Agree with this wholeheartedly. Treliving took his time finding Gulutzan because he ticked all the boxes. If Gulutzan is fired, another similar guy will probably be the replacement. I’m not convinced a completely different coach would do anything at all either.

Coaching in today’s game is basically identical. There’s barely any variation at all. Coaches all demand lines to defend well, stay structured and then transition to score. Powerplays and penalty kills are all the same as well. Teams all seemingly play the 1-3-1 these days and penalty kills all defend it the same.

I just don’t see how bringing in a new coach changes anything at all. Do certain players or the powerplay just magically learn how to put a puck in the net? Just don’t see it happening.

How about this... Do you think GG will ever get another head coaching gig in the NHL after he's fired this off season? I don't. It's obviously not all his fault that the team is under performing, but his ability to fix it is obviously non existent.

He's clearly not a next level coach. Real nice that he's achieved mediocrity, but he has no idea what kind of adjustments to make inside and outside of games, no idea when or how to push players' buttons, and simply is not doing the job he was hired to do - which was to take the Flames to the next level. Bargain coach wasn't much of a bargain after all. Same old Flames.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Team could become worse. That’s a possibility. The coaching staff did lead this group to the playoffs and is in a similar boat this year.

All you have to do is look the Oilers as a potential scenario. Dallas Eakins was seen as a terrible coach after his tenure. Then an experienced coach in Todd McLellen took over and the Oilers were still terrible in his first year despite having McDavid in the lineup. After a season in which everything goes right for them, they’re back in the basement once again.

It is true that a new coach might not help. However, that is not a valid reason to NOT make a change if the current coach isn't getting it done.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Respectfully disagree. With our talent I think we thrive under a "non-GG system" (I could describe it in a few paragraphs but everyone knows what I mean).

OT: The one player I am really concerned about right now is Monahan. He needs to sit until he works out whatever it is that is bothering him.

Scoring is an issue. Let's sit the guy with the most goals on the team.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Is brouwer really going back on PP1?

Brouwer is actually on the first line now. Oh and he's also been promoted to captain and contract is being renewed for $8x5.

Where would we be without our best player??