Kerry Killed A Teenage Foe; Lied To Gain Medal

[kipperfan]

As soon as the word FACTS comes out Republicans run for the hills.

Facts are like cryptonight to Republicans, secret weapon, the dont know em, dont like em, and dont report em.

But propaganda........................ahhhhhhhhh now we are home home.

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by kipperfan@Aug 6 2004, 02:42 AM

Use your brains Republicans, I know CNN has tought you not to, but you can do it.

Last I looked, Republicans THINK CNN is out to get them.

Left wing liberal media and all that.

Continue with your argument.

Cowperson

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally posted by Ktulu@Aug 6 2004, 02:07 AM

Your ultra left-wing bias is getting really annoying.

Ultra-left wing? Wow, that's a first. I'm considered extremely right wing by people that know me. Just because I feel that the Bush administration is corrupt does not make me left wing. Just means that I don't toe the "party line". And I just don't think that anyone compares to Karl Rove when it comes to playing dirty politics. The Democrats just aren't on the same level. No, they are no angels, but they sure aren't as "skilled" as their Repulican counterparts. I guess I, as an ultra-left winger, should ask you, the ultra intelligent right winger, how would George Bush be good for the United States over the next four years? Please fill us in with your "jewels of right wing brilliance" (nee what ever Ann Coulter has to say on a topic).

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally posted by Cowperson@Aug 6 2004, 03:08 AM
Last I looked, Republicans THINK CNN is out to get them.

Left wing liberal media and all that.

Yeah, but they do have FoxNews on their side. That more than balances out the liberial bias that CNN, CBS, ABC and "everyone else" has.

[moon]

Originally posted by kipperfan@Aug 6 2004, 02:50 AM
As soon as the word FACTS comes out Republicans run for the hills.

Facts are like cryptonight to Republicans, secret weapon, the dont know em, dont like em, and dont report em.

But propaganda........................ahhhhhhhhh now we are home home.

This is such an incredibly stupid, arrogant and wrong statement that it doesn't even merit a response.

Way to overgeneralize and show why people don't like Democrats as they tend to act all high and mighty while slandering the republicans for doing the exact same thing.

Anyone who thinks that the only party that plays dirty is the Republicans and that the Democrats take the "high road" is crazy enough to believe the moronic platform of the Democrats.

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by kipperfan+Aug 6 2004, 02:42 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kipperfan @ Aug 6 2004, 02:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Ktulu@Aug 6 2004, 02:32 AM
To the last poster, trying to compare the wonderful little story that intiated this thread, and Bush's DUI is outragous. Personally I dont car if it was sealed, citizens of a country should be able to know what their president has done, and what he is capable of.

Oh so we should have access to legally sealed documents but bringing up Kerry's actions in Vietnam are underhanded and dirty. Makes alot of sense. I mean you just said you wanted to know what the President is capable of didn't you?

Well if you are so interested in Bush being capable of drinking and driving 24 years ago than you think you might wanna know if Kerry shot a fleeing teenager.

Besides I don't care what you think is outrageous becuase I never compared the two did I? I was responding to the comments made inferring only Replubicans used dirty political tricks.

Show me anything that says he was fleeing, more like he was running up with 3 F-ing grenades ready to bomb the sh** out of the entire brigade.

Use your brains Republicans, I know CNN has tought you not to, but you can do it.

And last poster.............it isnt dirty or underhanded at all to bring Kerry's military history up, it only starts to get dirty when you change the facts, and write stories and make reports that ARE NOT substaintiated by any facts.

AND IF YOU DISAGREE, SHOW ME FACTS TO PROVE ME WRONG [/b][/quote]
Good God all mighty...you are trying to grill me about facts? After this ridiculous leap:

"more like he was running up with 3 F-ing grenades ready to bomb the sh** out of the entire brigade."

Sorry kipperfan but you are not worth waisting my time on. Go read the link....I can only comment on what is written there and I never said Kerry did or didn't do what was said. What facts do you want from me exactly? I actually wasn't in Vietnam...too young.

Anyway, start here: (From the article)


O'Neill continues: "Kerry's boat moved slightly downstream and was struck by a rocket-propelled grenade. . . .A young Viet Cong in a loincloth popped out of a hole, clutching a grenade launcher, which may or may not have been loaded. . . Tom Belodeau, a forward gunner, shot the Viet Cong with an M-60 machine gun in the leg as he fled. . . . Kerry and Medeiros (who had many troops in their boat) took off, perhaps with others, and followed the young Viet Cong and shot him in the back, behind a lean to."

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald+Aug 6 2004, 03:44 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lanny_MacDonald @ Aug 6 2004, 03:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Ktulu@Aug 6 2004, 02:07 AM

Your ultra left-wing bias is getting really annoying.

Ultra-left wing? Wow, that's a first. I'm considered extremely right wing by people that know me. Just because I feel that the Bush administration is corrupt does not make me left wing. Just means that I don't toe the "party line". And I just don't think that anyone compares to Karl Rove when it comes to playing dirty politics. The Democrats just aren't on the same level. No, they are no angels, but they sure aren't as "skilled" as their Repulican counterparts. I guess I, as an ultra-left winger, should ask you, the ultra intelligent right winger, how would George Bush be good for the United States over the next four years? Please fill us in with your "jewels of right wing brilliance" (nee what ever Ann Coulter has to say on a topic). [/b][/quote]
On what planet would someone think that your were "extremely right wing?" Did you even write that with a straight face...cuz I doubt even you believe that.

The "extremely right wing" label is usually reserved for insanely devout Christians who want to rid the world of homosexuals and form their own militias and whatever other nonesense the left paints them as. Hell, I am pretty right of the spectrum and I would never be mistaken as "extremely right wing."

you, the ultra intelligent right winger

Thanks, I thought you might resent me after I took you to task.

Anyway, I am not American so I don't want to speak for them too much but I think there are MANY reasons why four more years of Bush would be good for the U.S., starting with his leadership and resolve in the war on Islamic extremists, (and the other .0001% of the zealots one could possibly accuse of being terrorists). Certainly, Bush would be better than Kerry, if you are the "lesser of the two evils" type.

And I like Anne Coulter...probably doesn't surprise you tho.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald+Aug 5 2004, 11:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lanny_MacDonald @ Aug 5 2004, 11:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Displaced Flames fan@Aug 5 2004, 10:55 PM
Impressive that you came up with 2 paragraphs to condemn me for essentially laughing at something Gore has laughed at himself about.

Who was ripping you Dis? I was actually pointing out that the Republicans, making a real generalization here btw, are a bunch of liers that will jump on the slightest slip up and blow it way out of proportion. Now unless you are one of those right wing wackos that I am refering to, I have no idea how you took this as a slam. I was just making a point about the way the election is going and how this falls right in line with the Republican electorial machine. A little over-sensitive Dis? [/b][/quote]
What does the Al Gore inventing the internet hilarity have to do with this campaign? I don't see the connection. As a result, I was left to assume you were ripping me and lumping me into the group of conservative dirty tacticians who relentlessly and without remorse lie to attack the character of the angellic democrats.

If you truly believe what you wrote....that Democrats are not capable of the same dirty campaign tactics as the Republicans you are either extremely naive or an insufferable homer (Kerry supporter in this case). The Dems have had a character assassination campaign going against Bush since the day he took office. Both sides practice this type of crap and both do it very well.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by kipperfan@Aug 6 2004, 12:58 AM
Man its funny how a story can change so radically once the Republican propaganda machine takes it in, and then SPITS it back out isnt it??????

Huh?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald@Aug 6 2004, 01:42 AM
Two words. Karl Rove. The guy is the worst kind of slime ball imaginable and is not afraid to smear anyone. His "phone poll" scams have become legendary. Its going to be interesting to see what he has up his sleeve as this race tightens. I think this is the first salvo in this battle from the USS Rove, and I think he's loaded with weapons he's dying to unleash. I pity Kerry. He's likely going to be just like Dukakis when this is all done.

LMAO.

You have just gone off the deep end.

Karl Rove....character assassin extraordinaire!! The Dems don't have one of their own, they're incapable of these dirty games.

BTW....Kerry has been just like Dukakis all along.

[sbailey924]

Kerry won't be like Dukakis. He will win.

Four more years of Bush will not be good for our country. I don't see how you can call yourself a "war president" one day, then all of a sudden say you're going to be a "peace president," (by the way, Bush is as much of a flip-flopper as he calls Kerry...i.e. reason for war, 9/11 Commission suggestions, importance of bin Laden.) It's really quite odd how polarized America has become since the end of 2001. Back then, VERY few people cared about partisan politics at all. How any person can go from the support that they would have had after an atrocity like that to the support now is mind boggling.

The way I look at it is that Bush barely squeaked by last time. How have the last four years gone? Not so good. Will the marginal differences in votes change in one or two key states? Probably.

As far as "dirty" politics, I almost think the Dems are better at it, because their attacks aren't nearly as glaring as the Republicans. It makes them look innocent at times, while the Republicans rarely try to hide their attacks.

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by sbailey924@Aug 6 2004, 02:11 PM
It's really quite odd how polarized America has become since the end of 2001. Back then, VERY few people cared about partisan politics at all. How any person can go from the support that they would have had after an atrocity like that to the support now is mind boggling.

George Bush Sr. was at 73% approval ratings after Gulf War I but was out of office a year and a half later. The economy did him in.

George Bush Jr. was at 82% in the weeks after 9/11. This looks like it will be a pretty close election.

Americans tend to gravitate in support of their institutions in time of conflict.

Cowperson

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally posted by moon+Aug 5 2004, 10:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (moon @ Aug 5 2004, 10:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-kipperfan@Aug 6 2004, 02:50 AM
As soon as the word FACTS comes out Republicans run for the hills.

Facts are like cryptonight to Republicans, secret weapon, the dont know em, dont like em, and dont report em.

But propaganda........................ahhhhhhhhh now we are home home.

This is such an incredibly stupid, arrogant and wrong statement that it doesn't even merit a response.

Way to overgeneralize and show why people don't like Democrats as they tend to act all high and mighty while slandering the republicans for doing the exact same thing.

Anyone who thinks that the only party that plays dirty is the Republicans and that the Democrats take the "high road" is crazy enough to believe the moronic platform of the Democrats. [/b][/quote]
Hmmmm.....looks like a response to me.

[Looger]

the mud-slinging has a long way to go.

if the republicans drop clips of kerry at anti-war protests, the democrats will counter with that clip of rumsfeld shaking saddam hussein's hand in 1983.

this will be the ugliest campaign ever, make no mistake.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by Looger@Aug 6 2004, 05:15 PM
the mud-slinging has a long way to go.

if the republicans drop clips of kerry at anti-war protests, the democrats will counter with that clip of rumsfeld shaking saddam hussein's hand in 1983.

this will be the ugliest campaign ever, make no mistake.

and the sad thing is that both are completely irrelevant.

[Looger]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan@Aug 6 2004, 10:08 PM
and the sad thing is that both are completely irrelevant.

context is everything, isn't it...?