2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

I would really like to bring Patches in. 30+ goals in 6 straight seasons (including lockout pace) he would definitely bring much needed scoring. He mite not be the best defensively but we have the players to match with him that would make strong lines.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Ferland
Tkachuk - Backlund - Patches
Bennett - Janko - Frolik
Eat Bread - Stajan - Jagr/Brouwer

That makes our RW wayyyy deeper.

Lol, has pacioretty ever played right side professionally? I don’t believe so.

I would rather Stone over Pacioretty every day of the week. Likely similar acquisition cost.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Brick

Six potential trade destinations for the Canadiens’ Max Pacioretty:

"Calgary has a wonderful top line anchored by Sean Monahan and Johnny Gaudreau, but secondary scoring is lacking. Pacioretty might pair well with two-way centre Mikael Backlund and would certainly love not seeing the other team’s top defenders every night. The power play — currently ranked 20th in the league — could also use a boost and the vision of ‘Johhny Hockey’ sliding sweet passes to triggerman Pacioretty should stimulate saliva glands all over Southern Alberta.

As for what could go the other way, the captain of Canada’s World Junior Championship entry, Dillon Dube, was a Flames second-rounder in 2016. And, with Sam Bennett coming to life in the past six weeks, maybe the Habs have interest in the 2014 fourth overall selection."

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/s...ax-pacioretty/

Don't shoot the messenger.

Know who else we could put as the triggerman on that power play?

Sam Bennett or Dillon Dube.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Lol, has pacioretty ever played right side professionally? I don’t believe so.

I would rather Stone over Pacioretty every day of the week. Likely similar acquisition cost.

The acquisition cost isn't even close ? Where is everyone getting it from that Ottawa would trade Stone ? Stone is a top 10 wing in the game.

Stones value around the league is closer to Gaudreau than Patches.

[getbak]

Not a rumour, nor based on anything other than my own thoughts, but I noticed earlier that Kevin Hayes is 8th in points among forwards for the Rangers this season, and his numbers are down a bit from last season. He's in the final year of his two-year contract and will be an RFA in the summer.

I wonder if the Rangers would move him, and what the cost would be?

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by getbak

Not a rumour, nor based on anything other than my own thoughts, but I noticed earlier that Kevin Hayes is 8th in points among forwards for the Rangers this season, and his numbers are down a bit from last season. He's in the final year of his two-year contract and will be an RFA in the summer.

I wonder if the Rangers would move him, and what the cost would be?

I'd assume they would want a roster player back. They are still in the thick of playoff race. Maybe a deadline deal could be struck if they fall out of the race.

[nixon45]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

The acquisition cost isn't even close ? Where is everyone getting it from that Ottawa would trade Stone ? Stone is a top 10 wing in the game.

Stones value around the league is closer to Gaudreau than Patches.

Didn't the Sens GM say he would listen to trade offers on anyone on the roster with the exception of Karlsson?

- nevermind looks like he says Karlsson or Stone

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

The acquisition cost isn't even close ? Where is everyone getting it from that Ottawa would trade Stone ? Stone is a top 10 wing in the game.

Stones value around the league is closer to Gaudreau than Patches.

Stone is due for a big raise.
Ottawa might be hesitant to pay it.

Would not be surprised if Ottawa is listening to offers for Stone.
I agree that he would probably cost a lot, but he would justify it. You are probably right, his acquisition cost would be a lot higher than Pacioretty's.

From a Flames perspective, it might be easy to extend Stone. His brother plays for the team and it's close to home.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Stone is due for a big raise.
Ottawa might be hesitant to pay it.

Would not be surprised if Ottawa is listening to offers for Stone.
I agree that he would probably cost a lot, but he would justify it. You are probably right, his acquisition cost would be a lot higher than Pacioretty's.

From a Flames perspective, it might be easy to extend Stone. His brother plays for the team and it's close to home.

It's hard to say if the price would be justified, because he would cost some of our top end talent. If Stone is going to get traded to Calgary one of the following or more is going back.

Monahan/Gaudreau/Brodie/Hamilton/Tkachuk

Id be fine with moving a Brodie or Hamilton, but we add on both of them imo.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

It's hard to say if the price would be justified, because he would cost some of our top end talent. If Stone is going to get traded to Calgary one of the following or more is going back.

Monahan/Gaudreau/Brodie/Hamilton/Tkachuk

Id be fine with moving a Brodie or Hamilton, but we add on both of them imo.

Good point. We probably wouldn't like the price tag.
Something like Brodie + 2019 1st would be very difficult to give up

But I do think that if he ended up getting moved, a team could justify forking up the assets.
Just not sure if it's the Flames.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

The acquisition cost isn't even close ? Where is everyone getting it from that Ottawa would trade Stone ? Stone is a top 10 wing in the game.

Stones value around the league is closer to Gaudreau than Patches.

Bergevin is going to get a quality roster player (top 9 fwd or top 4 D) plus a 1st round pick and perhaps a prospect as well.

So yeah.. a similar package to what Stone would get. Sure Stone would have slightly more value, maybe.. depends on the suitor.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Bergevin is going to get a quality roster player (top 9 fwd or top 4 D) plus a 1st round pick and perhaps a prospect as well.

So yeah.. a similar package to what Stone would get. Sure Stone would have slightly more value, maybe.. depends on the suitor.

No. Stone and Patches are not close in value.

[Vinny01]

I wouldn’t want Pacioretty unless we absolutely robbed Montreal. If the co tract had 3 years term left at that cap hit I would be very interested but no chance with only one year left. I would be willing to part with something like Kylington, Phillips, any non Monahan 2013 1st round pick but that doesn’t even get the Flames close.

No way would I give up Bennett, Valimaki, Andersson, Dube, etc for Pacioretty.

I think of Ottawa in the Bobby Ryan trade and they send Silfverberg, Noesen, and 1st (10th pick Nick Ritchie). A huge price to pay for 2 seasons of Ryan so they overpay on aassive extension that is an albatross contract for many years.

I fear if the Flames paid a huge price (say for instance the suggested Bennett+Dube in the SN article) they would likely want him longer than 1 season. Pacioretty would want a 6-8 year deal at $6M which would pay him from 31-38 years old.

Flames need to steer clear.

[Samonadreau]

Patches and Hoffman would be closer in acquisition cost right now. Just my opinion. Stone is a Stud and in his prime.

Edit: on second thought I'm second guessing myself and would have Paciorrety between Stone and Hoffman.

Stone is only 25 and that's the kicker

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

No. Stone and Patches are not close in value.

Second time you’ve said that. Are you willing to hazard a guess at what either player are worth or are you just going to say that I’m wrong but not be willing to be on record because there is a chance I’m correct in what either team would get in return or what?

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Second time you’ve said that. Are you willing to hazard a guess at what either player are worth or are you just going to say that I’m wrong but not be willing to be on record because there is a chance I’m correct in what either team would get in return or what?

I already said what I think Stone is worth.

"Monahan/Gaudreau/Brodie+/Hamilton+/Tkachuk+"

Do you think Patches is worth any of those ? I sure don't. Stone absolutely is. I don't know how much you have seen of Stone, but he is a absolute gem. Probably top 3 winger in the league defensively, who is good for 65-75 points. Who is younger, RFA, and oozes intangibles you want in a player.

Patches can score goals. Other than that he doesn't bring much more. Is older and is a UFA next year.

If you think they would return similar trade value you are just flat out wrong. Would you trade Patches straight across for Gaudreau ? No. That is the type of value Stone has.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Second time you’ve said that. Are you willing to hazard a guess at what either player are worth or are you just going to say that I’m wrong but not be willing to be on record because there is a chance I’m correct in what either team would get in return or what?

I can chime in on this, Patches can fetch a good prospect and maybe a late 1st. He is struggling and his term is not great. Stone is an in his prime two way winger who every team would covet, he would return absolutely nothing because Ottawa would be crazy to move him. If they did go crazy you are looking at Tkachuk+ easily.

[blender]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

I already said what I think Stone is worth.

"Monahan/Gaudreau/Brodie+/Hamilton+/Tkachuk+"

Do you think Patches is worth any of those ? I sure don't. Stone absolutely is. I don't know how much you have seen of Stone, but he is a absolute gem. Probably top 3 winger in the league defensively, who is good for 65-75 points. Who is younger, RFA, and oozes intangibles you want in a player.

Patches can score goals. Other than that he doesn't bring much more. Is older and is a UFA next year.

If you think they would return similar trade value you are just flat out wrong. Would you trade Patches straight across for Gaudreau ? No. That is the type of value Stone has.

Would not make that trade. Also would not trade Monahan, Hamilton or Tkachuk for him without Ottawa adding. I think you are overvaluing Stone.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by blender

Would not make that trade. Also would not trade Monahan, Hamilton or Tkachuk for him without Ottawa adding. I think you are overvaluing Stone.

Am I over valuing Stone ? Or is he being undervalued in here. How many wingers bring Selke level defense while also putting up 65-75 points ? I'm not saying I make those trades either, but that would be the cost. If we could some how acquire Stone. Without moving Monahan/Gaudreau we would have the best line in hockey. Gaudreau - Monahan - Stone would be absolutely insane.

[Vinny01]

Stone is a lot closer to Gaudreau than he is to Pacioretty in value. He is elite defensively, clutch, and can put up points.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Second time you’ve said that. Are you willing to hazard a guess at what either player are worth or are you just going to say that I’m wrong but not be willing to be on record because there is a chance I’m correct in what either team would get in return or what?

These are not the same stratosphere of player at present. As mentioned, Stone is probably a top 10 - 15 winger in the league right now.

Not comparable players or returns in trade situations at all. No need to get upset about it. Let the discussion move on.