The Last Jedi Spoiler thread

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by getbak

How about when nerds are literally saying they're manipulating the score?

Yep. The fake news article talked about the most outlandish abuse they could find. They found one user who admitted (and could be lying) about creating a dozen accounts to vote against it.

There's been 150,000 votes.

It's "anonymous" when do we ever take "them" serious ha?

[Rhettzky]

I saw it on the weekend and didn't like it. I hate to say that as well because when the "A long time ago..." appeared I started to get pretty pumped. There were too many confusing plot points. Like milking the sea creature, the universe's slowest car chase, the casino, hyperspacing through ships, snoke build up and let down, the black BB8 being strictly a marketing tool, etc.

I did enjoy lots of the movie as well but as a whole it just felt like a jumbled mess.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Rhettzky

There were too many confusing plot points. Like milking the sea creature, the universe's slowest car chase, the casino, hyperspacing through ships, snoke build up and let down, the black BB8 being strictly a marketing tool, etc.

You seriously didn't like the hyperspace kamikaze scene? That was easily one of the coolest things in the movie.

[Oling_Roachinen]

One thing I did like was the film went out of their way to show that the Rebels were not above doing evil ####.

The negotiating in bad faith at the beginning in order to surprise attack, the suicide bombing. From one point of view the Jedi are evil.

[Max Cow Disease]

I don’t sense this supposed “obsession” with proving that the entire viewing public hated the movie. A couple people have said that it’s a divisive film, and it does indeed seem to be. One poster claimed that people should maybe accept that they simply like a bad movie, to which someone responded with the opposite, at which point it became a “well site X has 60 percent audience approval whereas Y has 80” discussion. Who’s to say which source is actually more reflective of public opinion? All I know is that the audience scores DO seem to be fairly sporadic so far (certainly more so than the previous films from what I recall), and that I myself along with others I know were underwhelmed.

[edn88]

I am of mixed feelings after having seen it. Leaving the ship to go to the casino was my biggest beef. Loved a lot of the other things. Loved seeing curmudgeon Luke. Lots of little bits that felt like Return of the Jedi or Empire Strikes back.

But my 11 year old loved it, and that is what really matters. Can't really care what adults (including myself think). Original Star Wars has as many issues as Episode 8. I am not sure if I saw it as an adult I would be as enamoured with it as I was as a 7 year old.

[DiracSpike]

Another thing I disliked about this movie was the overuse of teary eyed monologues about love and hope. There were at least three, they were really trying to force the emotion but the speeches were all given by new characters that I really didn't care about, at all.
In a New Hope when Luke literally sees the burning carcasses of his only family, he doesn't cry and give a monologue to Obi Wan about how he's feeling.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by direwolf

You seriously didn't like the hyperspace kamikaze scene? That was easily one of the coolest things in the movie.

The problem with that is that it overturns a lot of the tension from previous movies. In the big space battles/chases in the past, the Empire had used ships to block the Rebels from escaping via hyperspace. There are just so many situations in the last 7 movies that could have been easily dealt with, had it been possible to just hyperspace through an entire fleet.

It's also too simple of a solution. If it was possible to mess up a fleet of ships with a single ship in hyperspace, why didn't they do it in the past? Why not just design a bunch of drone style battering ram style weapons?

It also added to the overall bumbling that the First Order seemed to constantly engage in. We're talking about a group that managed to invade the galaxy by storm and eliminate the previous government and have the rebels on their heels. Yet, the First Order was throughout the movie falling for weak trick after trick.

The whole hyperspace thing, just seemed like lazy writing to me.

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by direwolf

You seriously didn't like the hyperspace kamikaze scene? That was easily one of the coolest things in the movie.

It's by far the worst scene in the movie. Cinematically, very very cool, but it completely rips apart the rules of the Star Wars universe.

Why didn't anyone think of doing that against the death star in ROTJ? Especially when the half completed death star was decimating Rebel cruisers - surely one of them would've just FTL rammed it and won the fight.

The A-wing that smashed into the bridge of the super star destroyer might as well have just light-speed battering ram and taken out a lot more than just the flagship.

Why didn't they do that in Yavin 4? Why even have this long convoluted scene with Luke Skywalker when you could've just FTL rammed it with 10 Xwings and called it a day?

Because it's basic lightspeed technology, you could say this for literally any fight that's ever happened in star wars including the prequels. It tears apart the suspension of belief in the world that they have created when rules change for no reason.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Regorium

It's by far the worst scene in the movie. Cinematically, very very cool, but it completely rips apart the rules of the Star Wars universe.

Why didn't anyone think of doing that against the death star in ROTJ? Especially when the half completed death star was decimating Rebel cruisers - surely one of them would've just FTL rammed it and won the fight.

The A-wing that smashed into the bridge of the super star destroyer might as well have just light-speed battering ram and taken out a lot more than just the flagship.

Why didn't they do that in Yavin 4? Why even have this long convoluted scene with Luke Skywalker when you could've just FTL rammed it with 10 Xwings and called it a day?

Because it's basic lightspeed technology, you could say this for literally any fight that's ever happened in star wars including the prequels.

It's weird that people are trying to use logic to explain how this doesn't work but then completely ignore logic to rip holes in it.

It's like asking what is the difference between me getting hit with a proton or a misquito and me getting hit with a bullet or a bowling ball.

Not to mention the logistics. Why does any military, real or in movies, use weapons when they can just crash their multi billion dollar aircraft into their target? It is so obvious it shouldn't even need explanation.

[Regorium]

Are you kidding?

Snoke's ship was death-star esque. A Rebel cruiser a fraction of the size managed to not only destroy that ship, but a large portion of the imperial fleet (from my count somewhere between 6-10 star destroyers).

Based on that level of power, any of the cruisers in ROTJ could've easily destroyed the half completed death star.

An Xwing or Awing with the light speed ram could easily destroy a single star destroyer.

Maybe not Yavin 4 though, with the completed Death Star and no cruisers. I'll give you that one.

[SuperMatt18]

I’m guess this is where I am different (and more simple minded) then those who disliked the movie. I didn’t watch that scene and think about all the laws of fake physics it broke, why past Star Wars didn’t have suicide bombers, or why don’t they would just do that all the time.

I watched it and thought “Holy #### that was cool”.

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I’m guess this is where I am different (and more simple minded) then those who disliked the movie. I didn’t watch that scene and think about all the laws of fake physics it broke or why don’t they would just do that all the time.

I watched it and thought “Holy #### that was cool”.

Just for the record, I loved the movie.

However, I HATED the space fights. They were absolutely terrible with commanders doing brain dead things on both sides, and things like Poe "e-braking" in space, bombers needing gravity to drop bombs in space, and of course the aforementioned light speed ramming were the parts that I am not a fan of.

[Harry Lime]

You mean like Kamikazes? Yeah, that didn't happen in real life.

If it's an option in war, it's going to be used. The question is why it hasn't been used until now, after the perimeters of this universes logic have already been set.

I tend to agree that the reason is that someone thought that it would look cool on screen.

An earlier movie, the 'ain't like dustin' crops, boy' scene, basically set out that if you tried what happened here, you would essentially embed yourself inside of the other craft. And that's only if you got the math perfectly, which may be difficult if both objects are in motion. Thus, why it never happened before.

They did the same thing in Rick and Morty season 4, using the rules laid out by the Star Wars universe.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I’m guess this is where I am different (and more simple minded) then those who disliked the movie. I didn’t watch that scene and think about all the laws of fake physics it broke, why past Star Wars didn’t have suicide bombers, or why don’t they would just do that all the time.

I watched it and thought “Holy #### that was cool”.

Yeah that seems to be the consensus. If you don't think about it too much, or go see it a second time expecting to be disappointed, it's not really that bad. I guess some of us just had higher expectations?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Yeah that seems to be the consensus. If you don't think about it too much, or go see it a second time expecting to be disappointed, it's not really that bad. I guess some of us just had higher expectations?

That is not the consensus. At all. Not even close.

[OutOfTheCube]

While we're at it, did you guys know that all the Star Wars prequels have A- CinemaScores? I guess they must not be that bad. It's just a decades long internet/fan troll job.

[killer_carlson]

Last Jedi is now in 10th place for the overall 2017 domestic box office results, even though it's only been out for 5 days. It bumped Justice League into 11th spot.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/...yr=2017&p=.htm

Can it break into the top 3 before the end of the year? It needs to do about 85% of it's first 5 days over the next 13 to do so.

[Inglewood Jack]

Star Wars capital ship design is messed up to begin with. a star destroyer's been completely disabled with 2 shots from an ion cannon (which is conveniently never used in the series again). a super star destroyer 10+ km long is defeated when its highly exposed bridge deflector shield generators are taken out with a few shots, and a tiny A-wing accidentally flies through their window. and on Leia's cruiser, their shields are easily able to fend off 18 hours of nonstop long range bombardment, but its bridge gets blown to smithereens by a couple of tie fighters that...ignore shields?

I'm more forgiving of SW space battles anyways since they're supposed to look like old WWII footage. but a hyperspace kamikaze is probably the most believable way of causing massive damage, given what's been done to capital ships in the past.

[Inglewood Jack]

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