In my opinion the police issues in the USA go hand in hand with the gun control problem. A police officer in any other country has to be careful and prepared for anything... but it is unlikely they have to deal with someone with a firearm.
In the states, it is unlikely they are dealing with someone WITHOUT a firearm, making every situation exponentially more dangerous and intimidating.
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Maybe a silly question but why does a man in a hotel warrant that kind of response? Like guns are ubiquitous and legal in Arizona. Why are the cops coming in that hard?
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They were pointing the pellet gun out of a window at the hotel. It’s good they responded quickly, but obviously they went way overboard once they got there.
Maybe a silly question but why does a man in a hotel warrant that kind of response? Like guns are ubiquitous and legal in Arizona. Why are the cops coming in that hard?
If I had to guess, I'd wonder if the Vegas shooting was fresh in their mind and they wanted to get on top of it as fast as possible.
Yes, exactly. Many of us see that as a huge problem. Why don't you?
Arizona (population 6.9M) had more police shootings in 2016 than the UK (population 65.6M) had in the last 20 years combined. Are Arizonians just naturally a more violent people than the British? Or could it be that British cops are far better trained to de-escalate a potentially dangerous situation without resorting to gunfire? Hmmmm.
lol yes it's a huge problem, too many people pulling guns on police and getting shot.
There is no way you can watch that video and conclude that the victim was dangerous to those officers.
it was a gun call, pretty sure they were expecting a possible danger lol yes, police should just assume everyone is nice and not ever a danger. Completely ridiculous suggestions in here.
it was a gun call, pretty sure they were expecting a possible danger lol yes, police should just assume everyone is nice and not ever a danger. Completely ridiculous suggestions in here.
Nearly five full minutes pass between him being on the ground with his hands outstretched and being murdered.
It's ridiculous that man is dead, and it's even more ridiculous his murderer is walking free.
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lol yes it's a huge problem, too many people pulling guns on police and getting shot.
I don't think anyone is disputing the idea of an officer neutralizing an individual with a firearm. It's the people that are being shot and killed because of a perceived threat that didn't actually exist.
Once is too often. That result happening with the frequency that it does is clearly an issue that should be addressed within the LEO community.
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Five whole minutes. Why is a trained police officer unable to deal with a subject prone on the ground while he has an automatic weapon trained on said subject? For five whole minutes.
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Even if this cop did everything by the book (which I doubt, but I'm not an expert), then the book itself is idiotic. Police work should require a high degree of critical thinking and sound judgement to deal with stressful situations, allowing for situations like this to be dealt with way more rationally. I think 80% of people would've fumbled around like the victim did listening to the cops idiotic sequence of commands. Its terrible that guys like this are running around with a badge..nothing more than a chimp with a gun.
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There is no way you can watch that video and conclude that the victim was dangerous to those officers.
I totally agree that after watching the video you could not conclude that he was a threat. That is part of the problem though, we are only seeing the video. People seem quick to forget that this guy pointed a rifle out a window and that is why the cops were called. They do not have the information we have in hindsight. They don't know how many people are in the room, or how many weapons there could have been, or that it wasn't a real rifle. After Las Vegas I am assuming the cops are high strung when they get a call to a hotel room where a scoped rifle was reported. Easy to say from the video they should have walked out and cufffed him. Harder when you're there and have no idea what the threat may be. The only argument I feel informed enough to make is in favour of tighter gun laws. To me this is the core of the problem.
I totally agree that after watching the video you could not conclude that he was a threat. That is part of the problem though, we are only seeing the video. People seem quick to forget that this guy pointed a rifle out a window and that is why the cops were called. They do not have the information we have in hindsight. They don't know how many people are in the room, or how many weapons there could have been, or that it wasn't a real rifle. After Las Vegas I am assuming the cops are high strung when they get a call to a hotel room where a scoped rifle was reported. Easy to say from the video they should have walked out and cufffed him. Harder when you're there and have no idea what the threat may be. The only argument I feel informed enough to make is in favour of tighter gun laws. To me this is the core of the problem.
I guess it needs to be said again, this incident was from last year.
Another oversight on the part of the police is shooting in a hotel with the potential for a bullet to penetrate a wall and hit another guest in a room.
