The trials and tribulations of Glen Gulutzan

[Heavy Jack]

Not saying I want him back?? Just said that the offense would be insane under him.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

If a coaching change is made within the season I have to imagine the only replacement that makes sense is Tippett. If you look at the people Treliving has brought into the organization they have all worked with him previously including Gulutzan. I doubt he's going to bring in a guy like Sutter or Ruff. It's going to be Tippett for better or worse and I'm fairly confident he will be better than Gulutzan.

Agreed Tippet is the only guy that makes sense to me in season for Treliving but Burke knows a lot of coaches so o wouldn’t rule out connections to him as well

[Heavy Jack]

God please just no to Dave Tippet. Most boring hockey ever.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Backlund, Dougie, Monahan, Gaudreau, Ferland so like half the core of the team.

Tkachuk had an exemplary first year and Jankowski is on track to do the same.

Ferland didn't "improve" under Gulutzan so much as he has had better puck luck. There was a reason Hartley gave him every opportunity his last year, despite terrible shooting percentages.

Gaudreau was elite before Gulutzan and is probably underutilized right now based on his ice time vs his production. Ultimately where Gaudreau is now is where most of us expected him to be last year before he was saddled down by guys like Chiasson.

Jankowski and Tkachuk were excellent prospects, and it is debateable if either is being used to their full capacity right now given the skills and tools they possess.

Dougie had a better year under Gulutzan (/with Giordano). However I would again point to him still being underutilized on the PP. And Hamilton did eventually turn it around under Hartley even though we never found him a correct partner (which is now the same issue with Brodie). Hamiltom in the second half of 2015-16 wasn't much worse than Hamilton last year, but I do think Hamilton is better suited to a rigid and structured system rather than a read/react system like Hartley's

Backlund was as good in 2016 under Hartley as he has been under Gulutzan. The major difference was replacing a fringe NHLer in Colborne with a star talent in Tkachuk. Backlund has been remarkably consistent since Hartley finally ran with him mid- 2013/14.

I would agree Monahan has improved under Gulutzan. He is by far the Standard-Bearer for a pro Gulutzan argument as I don't think Hartley ever would have gotten him playing a truly responsible game in his own zone so rapidly. But I also believe that is negated significantly by whatever has happened to Sam Bennett - I believe that Hartley would have stopped at nothing to turn Bennett into the player he was meant to be. If I had to choose between Bennett at full potential / Monahan under Hartley and Monahan at full potential / Bennett under Gulutzan, I personally would choose the former by a fair margin. And likewise I would take Brodie/Hamilton under Hartley (after Hamilton figured out how the system worked) over Hamilton/Brodie under Gulutzan (where Brodie is a shadow of the player he should be). On a whole, I do not believe Gulutzan can be the correct coach for this group of individuals. I acknowledge he has done some things I wish Hartley would do, but it's not enough to offset the other tradeoffs.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Backlund, Dougie, Monahan, Gaudreau, Ferland so like half the core of the team.

Tkachuk had an exemplary first year and Jankowski is on track to do the same.

Dougie is on the improved list?

In any event, if he gets credit for those guys, the list of guys who have dropped off under GG would include: Stajan, Brouwer, Bennett, Lazar, Brodie, Hamonic.

Either way, this is a team that is closer to missing the playoffs a third of the way through the season than it is to competing for 1st in the division. If they miss the playoffs that would be a disaster. Anything short of the second round minimum this year is an abject failure.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

Not this. This is a real gear grinder.
First, that saying is NOT the definition of insanity.
Insanity is a state of being seriously mentally ill NOT some tripe about doing the same thing over again and expecting different results.
There is not a single saying in this entire world that I dislike more than that one.
And I don't know why it has become so popular, particularly in the sports world.
/rant

OK, how about any of these?
- stupidity
- narrow-mindedness
- stubbornness

Personally, I like "hubris", but that's prolly to highbrow.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Chonger

I give more credit to Jagr turning Gaudreau around this season then GG.

Agreed. Jagr has certainly pumped JG’s confidence that he can reach another level, something that can only come from,,legitimately, a legendary player who has seen those highs. I think he’s also helped out SM in the same capacity.

Janko and Bennett too are, in a different way, working the cycle, buying into Jagr’s wisdom in words...you really think those guys envisioned themselves playing the cycle game? They are now when Jagr tells them to.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Chonger

I don't think it's fair to give the Gun credit for talents like Gaudreau/Monahan and Tkachuck improving. They would have improved under Eakins. Also Gaudreau had a horrible season last year under him. He turned Johnny Superstar Hockey into Johnny Pedestrian.
I give more credit to Jagr turning Gaudreau around this season then GG.


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Good god...Basically no matter what, to some posters, GG can not get credit for anything. If players play good its because of players, and if bad its because of coach?

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

OK, how about any of these?
- stupidity
- narrow-mindedness
- stubbornness

Personally, I like "hubris", but that's prolly to highbrow.

My guess is that he really likes how the 4th line looks in practices? Dunno.

I have no other explanation as to why he keeps on starting them at home. Against AZ I thought maybe he wanted Hathaway to set the tone vs Domi, but against the Oilers? No excuse whatsoever.

Last year he'd start our most powerful 5-man combo in Gio/Dougie + 3M right away to set the tone, so I don't even know what the heck he's doing this season. Completely out to lunch in terms of home starting lineups, we're sitting on a paltry 7-7-0 in the Dome and the lack of line matching has something to do with it.

[midniteowl]

Starting the 4th line at home has been driving me bonker, and people wonder why we seem to always playing from behind at home.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Good god...Basically no matter what, to some posters, GG can not get credit for anything. If players play good its because of players, and if bad its because of coach?

Apparently....and asking the players to be accountable for their lack of emotion and give a crap is not the answer, its all on the coach.

You learn something new everyday.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Apparently....and asking the players to be accountable for their lack of emotion and give a crap is not the answer, its all on the coach.

You learn something new everyday.

The only person in a position to hold the players accountable is the coach, and he is not doing that. That is on him.

When things are going well a coach can let the players do their thing, it's when things don't go well that you see the difference in good and bad coaches. Gulutzan literally does nothing when things go awry.

[tvp2003]

The reality is that firing Gulutzan only helps if you have someone better who can replace him (and since neither Cameron nor Jerrard fall into that category it would likely have to be more than just an interim title).

That leave two options IMO:

1) Darryl Sutter
2) Player/Coach Jaromir Jagr.

I'd be good with either.

EDIT: Forgot about Gelinas. He might work as an interim guy until we find a long term replacement.

[VilleN]

I'm not quite on the 'Fire GG' train yet, but how he hasn't tried shuffling the D around a bit yet is beyond me. They've been sloppy and under performing all year, it doesn't look to be getting better either. Try Brodie back on the right side with Gio and move Hamilton down with Hamonic... Brodie has not been the same on his left side, it's too obvious to overlook at this point.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Apparently....and asking the players to be accountable for their lack of emotion and give a crap is not the answer, its all on the coach.

You learn something new everyday.

The players should always be accountable. Its the coaches job to make them accountable. Is that happening?

[Chonger]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Good god...Basically no matter what, to some posters, GG can not get credit for anything. If players play good its because of players, and if bad its because of coach?

Can't argue my point? So just throw out a generalized comment?
I gave him credit for turning Johnny into a non factor after looking like a superstar the 2 years prior. Sending Bennett into "busting" territory. Turning Norris votes Brodie into what we see today. What credit am i missing? What credit does he deserve for positively effecting this team?
It is sad that we needed to bring in someone to be a leader, someone to instill confidence and motivate Gaudreau back into Johnny Hockey. Its part of a coaches job to lead and be a motivator. Its not even debatable. Thank you Jagr for coming in and doing/being something this lame duck Archie isn't.
How you guys can blindly stand by someone who is so obviously not the guy and not getting his job done is beyond me.






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[4X4]

Originally Posted by VilleN

I'm not quite on the 'Fire GG' train yet, but how he hasn't tried shuffling the D around a bit yet is beyond me. They've been sloppy and under performing all year, it doesn't look to be getting better either. Try Brodie back on the right side with Gio and move Hamilton down with Hamonic... Brodie has not been the same on his left side, it's too obvious to overlook at this point.

But why try to fix things when we can just keep pounding that square peg into the round hole? We've only wasted a year and a half of Brodie's obvious talent. There are many more years that can be wasted here, so why give up now?

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Chonger

Can't argue my point? So just throw out a generalized comment?
I gave him credit for turning Johnny into a non factor after looking like a superstar the 2 years prior. Sending Bennett into "busting" territory. Turning Norris votes Brodie into what we see today. What credit am i missing? What credit does he deserve for positively effecting this team?
It is sad that we needed to bring in someone to be a leader, someone to instill confidence and motivate Gaudreau back into Johnny Hockey. Its part of a coaches job to lead and be a motivator. Its not even debatable. Thank you Jagr for coming in and doing/being something this lame duck Archie isn't.
How you guys can blindly stand by someone who is so obviously not the guy and not getting his job done is beyond me.






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Oh, come on. The Flames have won SOME games. Just because they traded away every pick they have and spent to the cap doesn't mean we should expect results. It's not GG's fault that this team gets drawn and quartered by Edmonton. Every team gets down 6-1 against the mighty Oilers at home on HNIC. That's why the Oilers are in first place.

GG is clearly doing his job. We did beat Phoenix, after all. Best game of the year, according to him.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Chonger

Can't argue my point? So just throw out a generalized comment?
I gave him credit for turning Johnny into a non factor after looking like a superstar the 2 years prior. Sending Bennett into "busting" territory. Turning Norris votes Brodie into what we see today. What credit am i missing? What credit does he deserve for positively effecting this team?
It is sad that we needed to bring in someone to be a leader, someone to instill confidence and motivate Gaudreau back into Johnny Hockey. Its part of a coaches job to lead and be a motivator. Its not even debatable. Thank you Jagr for coming in and doing/being something this lame duck Archie isn't.
How you guys can blindly stand by someone who is so obviously not the guy and not getting his job done is beyond me.

Are you referring to the Johnny Gaudreau who is 3rd in the league in points and is on pace for 113pts this season? If there is one argument in favour of GG remaining the head coach, it's the way Gaudreau is playing this season... How on earth can you see this as a disappointing season for him? He's outscoring Crosby and McDavid FFS.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Are you referring to the Johnny Gaudreau who is 3rd in the league in points and is on pace for 113pts this season? If there is one argument in favour of GG remaining the head coach, it's the way Gaudreau is playing this season... How on earth can you see this as a disappointing season for him? He's outscoring Crosby and McDavid FFS.

Crosby has quite a few miles on him, and a more rounded game. He wins championships. McDavid is having a terrible year, and we here on CP like to point out that McLellan is riding him too hard.

Sure it's nice that Gaudreau is doing great this season, but without the rest of the TEAM, the Flames don't go very far. IS that all it takes to satisfy some fans? Having one or two great players? Because if that's what you're looking for, there's a team up north that's notorious for that kind of hockey, and around here, they get relentlessly mocked for it.

Face it, we have Dallas Eakins as our coach, and some of the fans are a-ok with that. It's like a sin to criticize the Flames/BT for his crappy choice in a coach. This is so Oilersesque.