The trials and tribulations of Glen Gulutzan

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Sorry for starting this "idiotic thread", although if I may correct you, Res, I'll have you know that I actually started this thread while the Flames were losing, and in fact, I do believe everything that I've said.

Would you say that makes me an idiot? If so, I humbly apologize for my scatterbrained soliloquies, as you may see them.

Who are you talking to?

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Who are you talking to?

Clearly, I'm addressing Resolute 14. I figured this would be easily determinable through context clues, but I guess not.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Clearly, I'm addressing Resolute 14. I figured this would be easily determinable through context clues, but I guess not.

Yeah, no. I thought maybe res alien but couldn't find his post.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Yeah, no. I thought maybe res alien but couldn't find his post.

I apologize for the lack of clarity.

[TheFlamesVan]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Clearly, I'm addressing Resolute 14. I figured this would be easily determinable through context clues, but I guess not.

Sometimes you hurt yourself more than Ken King hurts the Flames with unnecessarily inflammatory comments.

It's a good thread, the topic is Glen Gulutzan and not anything else.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by Joborule

Since Flames don't have a first OR second round pick this season, this cannot be a lost season, and Flames need to not only make the playoffs, but actually win at least one round. The expectation would be that the Flames picks this year would be late ones anyway. We're getting closer to American thanksgiving where you get a good idea of what kind of team you are.

Flames on paper should not be a mediocre team, but that's how they are performing up to this point. Meanwhile a rebuilding team like Vancouver actually looks like they may be for real, and won't be a pushover this season. How come that team can exceed expectations, yet GG can't get this team to play up to them? How come this team makes brutal mistakes with more frequency than the opposing team, and other teams in different games? Isn't the Flames suppose to have the best defensive depth in the league? Therefore, they shouldn't be giving up as many grade A chances right?

This team plays fairly sloppy. They don't function like a well tuned machine, where each part does it role efficiently. It's practically been the first line alone that has kept this team afloat. There's been no secondary scoring whatsoever from the bottom lines, and that's just not sustainable. The bottom six is not that bad that it cannot produce period.

The Flames need to be one of the best teams in the league this season. Anything less than May hockey is failed year. Is Glen capable of making the team one of the hardest to beat, and get the team to be a top 2 team in the division? I mentioned before that my confidence in him is nonexistent. The warts on this team that was prevalent last season still show up, and I think that's more of a reflection the coaching than the players themselves. I don't believe he's capable of making the adjustments, or getting this team to the next step of being a contender.

This right here. That is why I think GG is on a very short leash, expectations are very high from management and ownership. Only one coach is available that can take this team to the next level his name is Darryl Sutter.

But I believe one of the posters here said that ownership is cheap and wont pay coaches big money or something.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

If so, I humbly apologize for my scatterbrained soliloquies,

[---Hatrick---]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

This right here. That is why I think GG is on a very short leash, expectations are very high from management and ownership. Only one coach is available that can take this team to the next level his name is Darryl Sutter.

But I believe one of the posters here said that ownership is cheap and wont pay coaches big money or something.

Sutter has had success, but let's not forget that he just lost his job in L.A. because they were underachieving greatly. L.A couldn't score goals under him and that's an area where we are struggling as well. Look at L.A this year. They are certainly not having issues scoring goals and look very good again.

Maybe it was just time for a change there, but I'm not convinced that Sutter is the coach for us either

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by ---Hatrick---

Sutter has had success, but let's not forget that he just lost his job in L.A. because they were underachieving greatly.

Um, they won two cups.

I think it's fair to say he went past his shelf life, but underachieved during his time there? No.

[Strange Brew]

I don't see Darryl as Treliving's kind of guy.

[DazzlinDino]

Interesting thing about Darryl Sutter is that even if he has a short shelf life he has a way of teaching players to go through the wall and become winners. Jagr was talking about how some of the best players in world didn't just set the bar at 100 points but would set it twice as high and talked about how it was during those times they were tired that they would ride stationary bikes after games so that they could increase their endurance and stamina. Darryl sort of does this with his teams he has a way of challenging every player to be the very best they can be. Not sure if GG is on that level when he is stubbornly willing put his 4th line players in key in situations that are probably better suited for guys with higher compete, skill. I think a coach like Darryl would set this organization ahead in terms of what it takes to win.

[JFK]

Darryl Sutter having a short shelf life is a bit of a misnomer. Three seasons in Chicago before he stepped down, fired after six seasons in Chicago, three in Calgary before shifting solely to GM and another six season in LA before being fired. That's a much better resume then most NHL coaches. Hell he should have came back behind the bench in Calgary instead of hiring his brother.

He'll be a boon for whichever teams hires him next, including the Flames.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by ---Hatrick---

Sutter has had success, but let's not forget that he just lost his job in L.A. because they were underachieving greatly. L.A couldn't score goals under him and that's an area where we are struggling as well. Look at L.A this year. They are certainly not having issues scoring goals and look very good again.

Maybe it was just time for a change there, but I'm not convinced that Sutter is the coach for us either

His shelf life is 3 years. He won two cups with them during his time there. If he were to come to the Flames he would be here for 3-4 years max.

[CroFlames]

I've decided I'm not a fan. His personnel deployment and apparent lack of game management skills cemented it. There's been multiple times since the beginning of last season where I question why the eff he hasn't called a timeout to try and manage the momentum or give his top players a breather.

I'm not a professional coach, but to me it seems painfully obvious at certain points in the game wherein you should definitely be throwing out your top line, and he throws out something different. Last night's game included.

There were times in game 1 where he'd throw out the most bizarre line choices against the Oilers top guys where he clearly had an opportunity to send someone else.

His system is fine for the most part, but I really think it is exposing the flames defensively.

All in all, the bad outweigh the good and I don't think he has the chutzpah to take this talented group of individuals and have them play well enough together to win a Cup.

[Toonage]

Darryl Sutter coached teams play a heavier game. I'd love to see players like Ferland & Bennett playing under Sutter and would be very curious how less physical players on this team (that would then be expected to be more physical) would respond. Some sleeping giants might awake.

[Beninho]

Under Hartley this team beat down its rivals, under GG we have lost every game to the Oilers and have a .500 record vs a bum Canucks team. That's unacceptable.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Under Hartley this team beat down its rivals, under GG we have lost every game to the Oilers and have a .500 record vs a bum Canucks team. That's unacceptable.

I came in later to watch the 3rd period and was a little surprised to see guys smiling and relaxed. This was even after we had fallen behind a couple goals.
Hard to sustain an effort if guys are playing like they can turn it off and on.

[Jacks]

^^
That bugged me too, we're down 2 goals late in the 3rd and guys are grinning and chatting on the bench, I think the camera went in on Versteeg.
Was it a big deal? maybe not but they didn't look too concerned.

Too bad we can't get a combo of the coaches, Hartley to motivate and Gulutzan to come up with a good system.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Under Hartley this team beat down its rivals, under GG we have lost every game to the Oilers and have a .500 record vs a bum Canucks team. That's unacceptable.

Everyone beat the Oilers in those days...Glen has a win in Anaheim

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I don't see Darryl as Treliving's kind of guy.

What makes you think this?

I actually think the opposite, actually. Treliving has been preaching puck possession (and said as much in playing a part in his decision to let Hartley go), as well as becoming a better defensive team. He has also stated on more than one occasion that this team needs to get bigger, but adding the caveat that it needs to come with speed and skill as well.

Now, I don't know if Treliving knows Sutter, or if Sutter would ever want to come back to Calgary, etc., but it seems that he is a Treliving-like hire. I also think that he fits with Burke's philosophies as well.

Would the Flames pony up the dough to pay him? Sutter signed a (rumored) 2 year deal paying him in excess of 3 million a season.

Either way, if Gulutzan ends up being relieved at some point this season or the upcoming off-season, that means that the Flames aren't doing well. If that really ends up being the case, I would hope that they get a veteran coach who has experience in winning and has a strong track record. If the Flames are intent on being an elite team, go out and get an elite coach that fits the team.

No more Don Hays and Greg Gilberts. I am not saying Gulutzan is in that company, but he isn't an experienced NHL coach with any sort of previous success.