The trials and tribulations of Glen Gulutzan

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Gotta think Tippet would be on the short list of replacements if the Flames Go that way.

Taking a bottom 5 team to the playoffs probably gives GG at least some breathing room. I doubt he is fired unless this team has a brutal November.

I don’t think the Flames want to risk having that pick going to the Islanders being top 10

That's a good point. He's now available and both Treliving and Maloney have experience together although I don't know great Tippet's relationship was with Maloney at the end when he was let go by the Coyotes and Tippett got more power.

[btimbit]

How about if the Rangers fire Vigneault? His coaching style seems well suited to the way Calgry is built. Scoring off the rush, man to man D system w/ the D transitioning the puck quickly. Plus we have Glass, who AV loved in Vancouver and New York lol

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by btimbit

How about if the Rangers fire Vigneault? His coaching style seems well suited to the way Calgry is built. Scoring off the rush, man to man D system w/ the D transitioning the puck quickly. Plus we have Glass, who AV loved in Vancouver and New York lol

Make it a coach trade. Gulutzan for AV straight up. We'll even throw in Cameron. But it would have to happen now for it to make sense.

[Insane_Flame]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Make it a coach trade. Gulutzan for AV straight up. We'll even throw in Cameron. But it would have to happen now for it to make sense.

I got hammered last night and had a dream if this exact scenario.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Gotta think Tippet would be on the short list of replacements if the Flames Go that way.

Taking a bottom 5 team to the playoffs probably gives GG at least some breathing room. I doubt he is fired unless this team has a brutal November.

I don’t think the Flames want to risk having that pick going to the Islanders being top 10

If Tippet brought his system to this team the Flames would be as bad as the Oilers were for a decade. Treliving is not that stupid.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Make it a coach trade. Gulutzan for AV straight up. We'll even throw in Cameron. But it would have to happen now for it to make sense.

[GranteedEV]

On a serious note, I'd rather have Lindy Ruff than AV. Other than maybe their goaltending and penalty killing philosophies (keep Jerrard), the way the 2015-16 Stars played was exactly how I envision this group legitimately contending. Puck possession, high-octane offense, beautifully executed zone entries on the PP, good in-game management, etc. He's the best option in my eyes.

[tsquared1967]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If Tippet brought his system to this team the Flames would be as bad as the Oilers were for a decade. Treliving is not that stupid.

If Tippett and his system was here for a decade the Flames would have a cup or two... Tippett would be gone if his system is bad way before 10 years but if he lasted 10 years...Stanley Cups

[Flash Walken]

A significant factor to consider when thinking of a replacement head coach is cost.

The Flames aren't going to go out and pay Dave Tippet 3 million bucks a year.

One of the factors that played into the gulutzan hire was cost. He might be the second or third cheapest coach in the league.

[Benched]

you get what you pay for?

[Corral]

When nearly half your roster would clear waivers, its not the coach.

[Igottago]

I would think that if you're serious about competing for a cup you'd have to consider paying for elite talent behind the bench as well as on the ice. I'm not saying anything about Gulutzan as the Flames brass may well believe he's the guy. But it would be pretty silly to invest in the on ice product and then knowingly not invest in the coaching staff to save a few bucks. I'd be pretty disappointed if they just hired him because he was cheap.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

A significant factor to consider when thinking of a replacement head coach is cost.

The Flames aren't going to go out and pay Dave Tippet 3 million bucks a year.

One of the factors that played into the gulutzan hire was cost. He might be the second or third cheapest coach in the league.

You are probably correct in that cost was a factor in their hiring decision criteria.

But the Flames would probably rather make the playoffs with an expensive coach than miss it with a cheap one.
It's way too early in the season to Fire Gulutzan. Especially since the Flames often start of slow.

If it's mid-December and the team is still struggling, firing Gulutzan might make more sense. There will be enough time left in the season to rebound, yet enough time will have passed to evaluate Gulutzan and the team.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Corral

When nearly half your roster would clear waivers, its not the coach.

So you're saying McLellan isn't to blame?

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

You are probably correct in that cost was a factor in their hiring decision criteria.

But the Flames would probably rather make the playoffs with an expensive coach than miss it with a cheap one.
It's way too early in the season to Fire Gulutzan. Especially since the Flames often start of slow.

If it's mid-December and the team is still struggling, firing Gulutzan might make more sense. There will be enough time left in the season to rebound, yet enough time will have passed to evaluate Gulutzan and the team.

I wouldn't wait that long. End of this home stand. If things have not improved significantly axe the entire coaching staff.

[midniteowl]

If and when they decided to fire Gulutzan, they have to completely clean house, as in firing Cameron as well.

[Bingo]

If the Flames deem Gulutzan has to go, then he has to go.

Not sure why the itchy trigger finger for some fans bugs me, but it does. I'll work on it though, you're all good fans and you're allowed to be angry at whatever you want.

If the man is a bad fit for the team the braintrust will make that decision.

Historically however, teams that blame the coach in every rotation tend to just keep on sputtering. You have to commit and let a guy get hold, and work with the old and young players to evolve your team.

Right now they are in the middle of a few different runs that to me don't seem sustainable ...

1) PK run of 33% for three straight games. That's pretty tough to do.
2) They are now 26th in the league at 6.27% in five on five shooting percentage, and 28th in all situations at 7.37% when the Flames have been top 7 in shooting percentage the last 4 years.

I've been pretty consistent in throwing the Oilers a bone this season because they have good underlying numbers, so I'm certainly going to give the Flames the same benefit of the doubt.

The season started with giving up too many shots, they've fixed that. Then they took too many penalties, they've fixed that.

To me that's coaching.

Now they have to loosen up offensively, which is largely mental.

I don't see that as a coaching issue, but I guess time will tell.

[sempuki]

Originally Posted by Bingo

If the Flames deem Gulutzan has to go, then he has to go.

Not sure why the itchy trigger finger for some fans bugs me, but it does. I'll work on it though, you're all good fans and you're allowed to be angry at whatever you want.

If the man is a bad fit for the team the braintrust will make that decision.

Historically however, teams that blame the coach in every rotation tend to just keep on sputtering. You have to commit and let a guy get hold, and work with the old and young players to evolve your team.

Right now they are in the middle of a few different runs that to me don't seem sustainable ...

1) PK run of 33% for three straight games. That's pretty tough to do.
2) They are now 26th in the league at 6.27% in five on five shooting percentage, and 28th in all situations at 7.37% when the Flames have been top 7 in shooting percentage the last 4 years.

I've been pretty consistent in throwing the Oilers a bone this season because they have good underlying numbers, so I'm certainly going to give the Flames the same benefit of the doubt.

The season started with giving up too many shots, they've fixed that. Then they took too many penalties, they've fixed that.

To me that's coaching.

Now they have to loosen up offensively, which is largely mental.

I don't see that as a coaching issue, but I guess time will tell.

Quit being reasonable, even handled, and using of facts. This is the internet. We live on hyperbole and outrage.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by tsquared1967

If Tippett and his system was here for a decade the Flames would have a cup or two... Tippett would be gone if his system is bad way before 10 years but if he lasted 10 years...Stanley Cups

Really? Then why didn't he lead a stacked Stars team to multiple Stanley Cups? Or even do anything with Arizona at all? Dave Tippett has had no more success actually than the guy you want him to replace.

[Strange Brew]

This is the first I have heard that cost was a factor in GG’s hiring. Are we saying cost is the reason Boudreau was apparently not considered?