The trials and tribulations of Glen Gulutzan

[Chonger]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

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[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by activeStick

So losing a 12 goal, 24 point guy is a bigger issue than fans want to admit?

I don't buy it. He's a replacement level player and his loss has a negligible impact to the roster and team.

Ths problem isn't that we lost Alex Chiasson. It's that the coach didn't replace his role with the right players. Versteeg and Bennett had a revolving door of RWers for the first 8 games with the only NHLer being Jagr (Ferland is an NHLer, but wasn't on that particular night). Lazar is below replacement level. Brouwer, if he is replacement level, already bombed his 60 game audition with those two.

On the PK, Bennett-Chiasson was an extremely strong PK unit for us last year and Bouma-Stajan was our other unit(not so good) while Monahan-Brouwer was our 'last resort' unit. Now we have downgraded Bouma to Brouwer and Chiasson to Glass.

It's easy to replace Chiasson with Freddie Hamilton or Mark Jankowski. We just have elected not to.

[Eric Vail]

Gulutzan has coached around 100 games, and in that time, the Flames have under-preformed more than they have played to their ability. The only times the team has gone on runs is when the goaltending has been unbelievable.

I was disappointed they didn't go with a proven guy. I was hoping I'd be wrong. I'm still hoping he proves me wrong. but at the 100 game mark he does not look like a guy who is going to make the Flames into a Stanley Cup contender.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Time to lock this thread. It's clear GG is not a good head coach.

According to who? You?

[AC]

Too early to be calling for heads IMO.

The system seemed to work very well last year once all the players clicked. We became one of the best teams in the league for the 2nd half, and had a dominant PP, and a really good PK.

We were also the better team in the playoffs, undone by horrid goaltending.

Team went 40-23-3 over the last 66 games last year, with the 6th best PP and the 6th best PK. Took until Nov 15 for that pace to start, I'm frustrated the team didn't pick up where they left off in the regular season, but I'm also willing to be patient since it's a really long season filled with ups and downs.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by activeStick

So losing a 12 goal, 24 point guy is a bigger issue than fans want to admit?

I don't buy it. He's a replacement level player and his loss has a negligible impact to the roster and team.

He's a replacement player replaced by Tanner Glass.

The last time Glass had 12 goals or 24 points was Never.

The Flames have scored 2 goals or less in 8 of their first 11 games, and that's WITH Monahan and Gaudreau doubling their offensive output from the same time frame as last season.

The support players just aren't there this year, for whatever reason. Stajan had 4 points in first 11 games last year. This year 0. Brouwer had SIX points in the first 11 last year, this year 2.

I don't think that's coaching.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

Ive been saying for years that the GlueGun is a dud of a coach. I think its clear to everyone now that this is true.

Why do people insist on making hilarious claims like this?

Do you think we believe you? Actually it isn't even about believing. It is about you claiming to know something that is literally impossible for you to know. You probably didn't even know who Gulutzan was "years" ago. And even if you did, I highly doubt you have the ability to judge his coaching.

Unlike football and baseball, the quality of an NHL coach is extremely difficult to assess to the average fan. We pretty much can only judge the coach against our expectations of the roster on paper. But even the lovechild of Scotty Bowman and Mike Babcock would never be able to ensure any roster of rejects is successful.

Basically all hockey coaches are based purely on results with a little bit of personnel decisions sprinkled in here and there.

Pretending to be able to conclusively rank and judge NHL coaches is about on par for me with people evaluating player motivation and effort levels. Usually it comes down to falsely attributing results after the fact to an unverifiable skill level.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Chonger

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[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by AC

Too early to be calling for heads IMO.

The system seemed to work very well last year once all the players clicked. We became one of the best teams in the league for the 2nd half, and had a dominant PP, and a really good PK.

We were also the better team in the playoffs, undone by horrid goaltending.

Team went 40-23-3 over the last 66 games last year, with the 6th best PP and the 6th best PK. Took until Nov 15 for that pace to start, I'm frustrated the team didn't pick up where they left off in the regular season, but I'm also willing to be patient since it's a really long season filled with ups and downs.

You can say the team was undone by horrid goaltending I would agree with you, but they only scored more than 2 goals in 1 of the 4 games in the playoffs.

You don't win many games in the NHL, in any era, scoring 2 goals per game.

The Flames can't score. Any other problems will be magnified by the fact that the team isn't dangerous and thus not respected in the offensive zone.

This is what I don't get about some posters referring to this team as having the skill level to compete. High skill teams score lots of goals, average skilled teams score an average amount of goals and underskilled teams score below average amounts of goals.

The Flames are 29th in the league in scoring. I think that's an indication of their skill level.

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

He's a replacement player replaced by Tanner Glass.

The last time Glass had 12 goals or 24 points was Never.

The Flames have scored 2 goals or less in 8 of their first 11 games, and that's WITH Monahan and Gaudreau doubling their offensive output from the same time frame as last season.

The support players just aren't there this year, for whatever reason. Stajan had 4 points in first 11 games last year. This year 0. Brouwer had SIX points in the first 11 last year, this year 2.

I don't think that's coaching.

Good coaches get the most out of their players. Bad coaches put their players in positions where they under perform.

[Teroy]

Our biggest problem is scoring. We're not going to do that any better as long as GG continues this balanced line system. Playing the number 1 line with the bottom pairing defense pairings is like playing with one hand behind out backs. The second biggest problem we have is moving the puck out of our zone. How many times do we have to get bottled up before we figure out how to move the puck up the ice? Thirdly our PP lines are unbelievable; Brouwer??? All these problems are related to system and that lands in the lap of GG. And finally, all this dumping on Bennett playing Center doesn't take into account that he was the best face off player on the team.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

You can say the team was undone by horrid goaltending I would agree with you, but they only scored more than 2 goals in 1 of the 4 games in the playoffs.

You don't win many games in the NHL, in any era, scoring 2 goals per game.

The Flames can't score. Any other problems will be magnified by the fact that the team isn't dangerous and thus not respected in the offensive zone.

This is what I don't get about some posters referring to this team as having the skill level to compete. High skill teams score lots of goals, average skilled teams score an average amount of goals and underskilled teams score below average amounts of goals.

The Flames are 29th in the league in scoring. I think that's an indication of their skill level.

Yeah that's fair. Absolutely need to score at a higher rate to be a good team.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

According to who? You?

Well I posted that without providing a third party source so ya good guess.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

You can say the team was undone by horrid goaltending I would agree with you, but they only scored more than 2 goals in 1 of the 4 games in the playoffs.

You don't win many games in the NHL, in any era, scoring 2 goals per game.

The Flames can't score. Any other problems will be magnified by the fact that the team isn't dangerous and thus not respected in the offensive zone.

This is what I don't get about some posters referring to this team as having the skill level to compete. High skill teams score lots of goals, average skilled teams score an average amount of goals and underskilled teams score below average amounts of goals.

The Flames are 29th in the league in scoring. I think that's an indication of their skill level.

Because when they were playing well, they did score goals?

When a team is thinking too much, they aren't going to generate as much offense. Either the whole team is getting less talented, or there is a problem with the style of play/personnel usage/other issue.

I, for one, don't think every player on the team is getting less talented as time goes on.

Look at Jankowski: on fire in the A, get's called up, has a very solid game, then an okay game, then a pretty weak game. That might be because he was just surviving the early game on adrenaline, or it might be because what he is being asked to do is weighing him down.

[TheSutterDynasty]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Why do people insist on making hilarious claims like this?

Do you think we believe you? Actually it isn't even about believing. It is about you claiming to know something that is literally impossible for you to know. You probably didn't even know who Gulutzan was "years" ago. And even if you did, I highly doubt you have the ability to judge his coaching.

Unlike football and baseball, the quality of an NHL coach is extremely difficult to assess to the average fan. We pretty much can only judge the coach against our expectations of the roster on paper. But even the lovechild of Scotty Bowman and Mike Babcock would never be able to ensure any roster of rejects is successful.

Basically all hockey coaches are based purely on results with a little bit of personnel decisions sprinkled in here and there.

Pretending to be able to conclusively rank and judge NHL coaches is about on par for me with people evaluating player motivation and effort levels. Usually it comes down to falsely attributing results after the fact to an unverifiable skill level.

Great post.

The coach is always the scapegoat for an underachieving team.

You don't know his systems. You don't know the reasons for his decisions.

It's a cop out for upset fans who don't understand how dynamic the game of hockey is.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by TheSutterDynasty

Great post.

The coach is always the scapegoat for an underachieving team.

You don't know his systems. You don't know the reasons for his decisions.

It's a cop out for upset fans who don't understand how dynamic the game of hockey is.

Are you suggesting no fans understand how dynamic the game of hockey is? None?

[tsquared1967]

Originally Posted by Teroy

Our biggest problem is scoring. We're not going to do that any better as long as GG continues this balanced line system. Playing the number 1 line with the bottom pairing defense pairings is like playing with one hand behind out backs. The second biggest problem we have is moving the puck out of our zone. How many times do we have to get bottled up before we figure out how to move the puck up the ice? Thirdly our PP lines are unbelievable; Brouwer??? All these problems are related to system and that lands in the lap of GG. And finally, all this dumping on Bennett playing Center doesn't take into account that he was the best face off player on the team.

A center that is good at face offs but can't see play developing between whistle is useless.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Are you suggesting no fans understand how dynamic the game of hockey is? None?

Speaking of cop-outs, why does Gulutzan get paid to coach if he can't be criticized?

[Manhattanboy]

Hockey really isn't that complicated a game IMO.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Hockey really isn't that complicated a game IMO.

What? Yes it is. What game needs constant line changes every 40 seconds? Why do we have to make new rules/regulations because the game is getting faster? I could name off a lot more but I won’t. It’s a game way more difficult than soccer, basketball, baseball. Football is up there with hockey.