10-02-2017, 04:45 PM
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#201
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski
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So an American is more likely to kill an American in America?
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10-02-2017, 04:47 PM
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#202
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Originally Posted by Itse
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The whole Whitman-amygdala theory is pretty shaky. Whitman grew up in a violently abusive home, had demonstrated sadistic behaviour in the past, and mused to acquaintances several times about how many people could be shot from the clock tower by a trained sniper.
We like to think people have to be mentally ill to murder strangers. They don't.
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10-02-2017, 04:51 PM
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#203
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Originally Posted by Bawbag
So an American is more likely to kill an American in America?
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The question was about how many times the narrative of white men vs the others the poster stated were used in these kind of shooting events. The headline gives the answer.
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10-02-2017, 04:51 PM
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#204
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I'm just expecting to hear that he got a terminal diagnosis and decided to go out like a total piece of ####.
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10-02-2017, 04:53 PM
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#205
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Not Taylor
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Calgary SW
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Originally Posted by blankall
The whole incident just seems to well calculated to be the product of mental illness. The timing, the venue, the layout of the hotel room, the weapon use, etc... It all just seems way to thought out to be the act of a deranged person or a crime of opportunity.
This crime has all the earmarks of a terrorist incident, but the perpetrator is far from typical. This could be another Timothy McVeigh type incident. Even then, McVeigh was an angry young man. The shooter here is a retired accountant, who was fairly well off, lived with his girlfriend, and spent much of this time on luxury cruises playing poker.
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I happened to watch the PBS documentary on the Oklahoma City bombing on Netflix yesterday, so when I saw this guy's profile this morning, the first thought that popped into my head was that the motives might be along those lines. I believe I saw mentioned somewhere that the town he lives in is just down the road from that Bundy enclave that had that situation a year or two ago. Not sure if that's true or not. Of course, McVeigh specifically targeted the govt which isn't the case here, but who knows with these weirdos.
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10-02-2017, 05:00 PM
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#206
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by afc wimbledon
A depressed middle aged white dude is one of the archetypical gunman stereotypes, literally where the phrase 'going postal' came from
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Whites make up about 3/4 of the US population, while blacks account for about 13%. The percentage of mass shooters that are black is about equal to the percentage that blacks make up of the general population in the US. I cant google the stats right now but this isnt a hard stat to find.
The percentage of males do significantly outweigh females though when looking at mass shooters.
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10-02-2017, 05:25 PM
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#207
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
The whole Whitman-amygdala theory is pretty shaky. Whitman grew up in a violently abusive home, had demonstrated sadistic behaviour in the past, and mused to acquaintances several times about how many people could be shot from the clock tower by a trained sniper.
We like to think people have to be mentally ill to murder strangers. They don't.
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I think most people would say going on a suicidal murder spree in itself is enough to consider someone mentally ill. It's a matter of definitions of course, but I would say so.
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10-02-2017, 05:37 PM
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#208
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Referee
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For those of you asking about conspiracy theory nutjobs https://www.avclub.com/alex-jones-is...gas-1819086361
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10-02-2017, 05:59 PM
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#209
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
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10-02-2017, 06:11 PM
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#210
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Shanghai
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Just saw in an msnbc report a chart with the shootings in the U.S. that have had the most victims. The top four took place in 2007, 2012, 2016 and now 2017. The next two were 1991 and 1984.
Reflections of a troubled time in U.S. history...
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10-02-2017, 06:17 PM
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#211
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
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Ouch, that was a hard listen. Longer audio at the bottom of the article.
Just horrible.
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10-02-2017, 06:24 PM
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#212
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Norm!
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I picked up my best friend at the airport he was telling me that his brother had gone to the first two nights of the festival, but he and his date were supposed to go to the last night but they decided at the last minute not to go.
This was the same friend who's sister got caught in Irma.
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10-02-2017, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
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I mean, respect for coming around and all, but this just reinforces the question of how the hell wasn't Sandy Hook the turning point? This is bad for sure, but Sandy Hook is the worst ever and probably will never be surpassed until someone kills more children than that day.
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10-02-2017, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyB
Just saw in an msnbc report a chart with the shootings in the U.S. that have had the most victims. The top four took place in 2007, 2012, 2016 and now 2017. The next two were 1991 and 1984.
Reflections of a troubled time in U.S. history...
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Shooting incidents with the most victims not including the First Nations massacres of the 18th and 19th centuries.
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10-02-2017, 06:47 PM
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#216
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i'm having a tough time listening or watching any US media coverage of this. The pundits are .... wow .... on both sides.
At best i'm scanning articles on several websites looking for actual stories on the incident, but tough to do with the politicization of this tragedy.
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10-02-2017, 06:50 PM
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Location: Shanghai
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Originally Posted by driveway
Shooting incidents with the most victims not including the First Nations massacres of the 18th and 19th centuries.
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That's true. It's certainly not as bad as other terrible things that have taken place in the history of the U.S.. It's not comparable with genocide, but maybe it's indicative of something else. Troubles in the dominant classes and cultures?
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10-02-2017, 07:06 PM
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#218
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Originally Posted by ricosuave
I don't know what a false flag is, can you elaborate? What is this about with regards to this tragedy?
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the idea i think from piracy or shipping originally? basically flying a flag that is not the actual origin of the ship...
so for example, if country x was running a military operation, flying a 'false flag' would make it appear that they were part of one country or force when they were not...
basically a way to incite violence and then blame it on someone else.
in this case, that POS Jones implies that its an 'operation' of some sort to try banning assault rifles for example... which is exactly what that MF'er and his cohorts said about Newtown.
I'm not a religious person, but I hope I am wrong because he's a guy, and his ####head followers deserve eternal damnation.
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10-02-2017, 07:16 PM
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#219
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My buddy just told me that his cousin and friend were at the concert. The friend was shot 5 times, all in the arms and legs. Luckily she's going to survive.
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10-02-2017, 07:20 PM
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#220
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Originally Posted by Huntingwhale
My buddy just told me that his cousin and friend were at the concert. The friend was shot 5 times, all in the arms and legs. Luckily she's going to survive.
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oh man... that's nuts.
Glad to hear they got out ok... just makes you sad for everyone that didn't make it
the shooter was about 400 yards away, so age, gender, hair color. race had nothing to do with...who lived and who died was just a random roll of the dice...even more than normal with these kind of shootings
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